X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2111565 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:20:03 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.8; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id q.bed.121ccb19 (52620) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D30 (fwm-d30.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.6]) by cia-d11.mx.aol.com (v117.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAD114-cd8c4678017735b; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:16:55 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Different Rotary Port configurations Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:16:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: wrjjrs@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27618 Received: from 65.161.241.3 by FWM-D30.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.6) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:16:55 -0400 Message-Id: <8C980A4637972C8-1C80-E95E@FWM-D30.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.6 X-Spam-Flag: NO Tracy I only partially agree. One of the reasons diesels do well is=20 direct injection with NO butterfly in the intake at all! As engine=20 management systems get better we should be able to do the same thing=20 with a gasoline engine. I heard a Mecury engine running in the test=20 cell using this system. It was a 2 cycle which sounded really wierd=20 since it didn't miss at idle (which is typical). Since the engine=20 didn't "4 cycle" it sounded like it was running twice as fast! The new=20 direct injection system running in Audis and others may be the best=20 thing to ever happen to the rotary. I would love to work with you on=20 it, in your "spare" time LOL. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Tracy crook To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 8:13 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Different Rotary Port configurations The very best (economy wise) piston engine designs today use variable=20 overlap. The Prius engine may not have this feature because I think it=20 operates at a very narrow rpm range so it is a different case. The BMW=20 (straight 6s) vary both intake & exhause timing to make good power and=20 economy(for a performance car) across the rpm range. Laura's 330i gets=20 32+ mpg at 65 -70 mph.=A0 =A0 >"getting the engine to pump the most air at a given RPM is "THE WAY."=A0 =A0 There is absolutely no arguing this (correct) point but it only applys=20 at WOT (where the 26B and most all race engines) operated. This is=20 where the best SFC happens due to minimum pumping losses. But I think=20 the pumping losses argument goes out the window as soon as you back off=20 the throttle and manifold pressure goes down. Sucking air past that=20 damn butterfly takes energy. You can operate at WOT and get good SFC=20 but this ignores the real world factor that the aerodynamic losses on=20 the airframe go way up at the higher airspeed. This is the dominant=20 factor so in reality, all these BSFC arguments are sort of moot unless=20 you are racing. But fun to discuss none the less.=A0 =A0 Tracy=A0 =A0 =A0 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free=20 from AOL at AOL.com. =3D0