X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2095494 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:38:14 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.5; envelope-from=Lehanover@aol.com Received: from Lehanover@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id q.bda.1414c850 (58677) for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:37:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Lehanover@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:37:29 EDT Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Single rotor video To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1181525849" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1181525849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/10/2007 3:36:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rotary.thjakits@gmail.com writes: PS: Lynn, I am surprised you are so against gyros? I was fortunate in that I was there when gyros were invented. Not the big ones that worked pretty well, but the Bensons, and the training gyro gliders towed behind a car. My boss at the cabinet shop Carl Andre and his friend Harris Woods were crazy for gyros, and partly just crazy. They built a few, both tractors and pushers and when Mr. Woods gave it up while still alive he went on to design a number of fixed wing home builts and plans for them that are still being built today. He was an engineer for NAA back then. Mr. Andre kept at it until one day he had a rotor hit the ground behind him on takeoff and the gyro turned left minus one rotor blade and vanished into a blackberry bramble. He was cut to ribbons, but still had his cigar in his mouth. That and the prop breaking through the hub, and he gave it up. Those were heady days for a kid on a bicycle. It was soon noticed that there were about 600 things wrong with the gyros of the day. Name a feature required to be safe and it wasn't there, save one, the seat belt. Anything else was about to fail, fold, fall off, seize, lock up, delaminate, cone, drag or flap. Between them they figured out most of it and did so during an appalling series of forced landings and failures. Looking back they were still way off the mark on thrust line. horizontal stabilizer area, Blade mass weights, shock absorbing gear, wheel size. And the McCullough drone engine was always on the verge of not running, or running great only to seize. My last view of the Benson training glider as it was being dragged behind a Simca. Ever see a Simca? As Andre's son Bobby was bouncing end over end down the runway on the now blade less Benson as the spotter got tired of looking back at an unfortunate time, for Bobby. He was OK after about an hour and went on to fly Helicopters for the Columbus Police department. Oops, I guess he did get some brain damage after all. If you cannot find the engine, a whole gyro will fit in one garbage bag. In your line of fun I suppose there is more danger than gyros, but sanction bodies would not allow anyone to race without the proper licence, or am I wrong here? Two drivers schools with two races each and then 6 practice race weekends, then you get a license. All cars get an annual inspection. Sound familiar? And one group gets inspected each weekend. The driver gets an annual physical. The drivers safety gear is inspected each weekend. Cars have full cages per spec in 4130. Full Halon II fire systems for cab engine and fuel cell. Full 3" wide 5 or 6 point harness depending on seat angle. 1/4" Lexan windscreens, full double layer fire suit in Nomex. Nomex long johns, socks, gloves, shoes and head sock. Current Snell foundation rated full face helmet, FIA approved fuel cell. Over a million racing miles per year in the SCCA and similar clubs in the US, and a fatality about every two years. A number of those are heart attacks, and not equipment, or crash related. Safer than you on a freeway in California If the FAA would make it law that you need a TYPE-RATING for any ROTORCRAFT it would reflect the inherent safety in any of the current rotorcraft. Business interests dictate otherwise... And I mean EVERY model - you go from a AS350 B2 to a B3 you need to get a certified checkout (type-rating)..... What would racers and team owners say if it suddenly would be legal to race with a general driver licence only (no more race school needed - here we go wannabees!) Never happen. No license, no insurance coverage and no racing. The biggest expense in racing is now insurance. Lynn E. Hanover ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1181525849 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/10/2007 3:36:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 rotary.thjakits@gmail.com writes:
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PS: Lynn, I am surprised you are so against=20 gyros?
 
I was fortunate in that I was there when gyros were invented. Not the b= ig=20 ones that worked pretty well, but the Bensons, and the training gyro gliders= =20 towed behind a car. My boss at the cabinet shop Carl Andre and his friend Ha= rris=20 Woods were crazy for gyros, and partly just crazy. They built a few, both=20 tractors and pushers and when Mr. Woods gave it up while still alive he= =20 went on to design a number of fixed wing home builts and plans for them that= are=20 still being built today. He was an engineer for NAA back then. Mr. Andre kep= t at=20 it until one day he had a rotor hit the ground behind him on takeoff and the= =20 gyro turned left minus one rotor blade and vanished into a blackberry brambl= e.=20 He was cut to ribbons, but still had his cigar in his mouth. That and the pr= op=20 breaking through the hub, and he gave it up.
 
Those were heady days for a kid on a bicycle. It was soon noticed that=20 there were about 600 things wrong with the gyros of the day. Name a feature=20 required to be safe and it wasn't there, save one, the seat belt. Anything e= lse=20 was about to fail, fold, fall off, seize, lock up, delaminate, cone, drag or= =20 flap.
 
Between them they figured out most of it and did so during an appalling= =20 series of forced landings and failures. Looking back they were still wa= y=20 off the mark on thrust line. horizontal stabilizer area, Blade mass weights,= =20 shock absorbing gear, wheel size. And the McCullough drone engine was always= on=20 the verge of not running, or running great only to seize.
 
My last view of the Benson training glider as it was being dragged behi= nd a=20 Simca. Ever see a Simca? As Andre's son Bobby was bouncing end over end down= the=20 runway on the now blade less Benson as the spotter got tired of looking= =20 back at an unfortunate time, for Bobby. He was OK after about an hour and we= nt=20 on to fly Helicopters for the Columbus Police department. Oops, I guess he d= id=20 get some brain damage after all.  
 
If you cannot find the engine, a whole gyro will fit in one garbage=20 bag.
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In your line of fun I suppose there is more danger tha= n=20 gyros, but sanction bodies would not allow anyone to race without the prop= er=20 licence, or am I wrong here?
Two drivers schools with two races each and then 6 practice race weeken= ds,=20 then you get a license.
All cars get an annual inspection. Sound familiar? And one group gets=20 inspected each weekend. The driver gets an annual physical. The drivers safe= ty=20 gear is inspected each weekend.
Cars have full cages per spec in 4130. Full Halon II fire systems for c= ab=20 engine and fuel cell. Full 3" wide 5 or 6 point harness depending on seat an= gle.=20 1/4" Lexan windscreens, full double layer fire suit in Nomex. Nomex long joh= ns,=20 socks, gloves, shoes and head sock. Current Snell foundation rated full face= =20 helmet, FIA approved fuel cell. Over a million racing miles per year in the=20= SCCA=20 and similar clubs in the US, and a fatality about every two years.  A=20 number of those are heart attacks, and not equipment, or crash related.= =20
Safer than you on a freeway in California 
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If the FAA would make it law that you need a TYPE-RATI= NG for=20 any ROTORCRAFT it would reflect the inherent safety in any of the current=20 rotorcraft. Business interests dictate otherwise...
And I mean EVERY model - you go from a AS350 B2 to a B= 3 you=20 need to get a certified checkout (type-rating).....
What would racers and team owners say if it suddenly w= ould=20 be legal to race with a general driver licence only (no more race school=20 needed - here we go wannabees!)
Never happen. No license, no insurance coverage and no racing. The bigg= est=20 expense in racing is now insurance.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
 



See what's fre= e at AOL.com.=20=
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