X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2089933 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:46:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-103-061.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.103.61]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l57KjpOB023910 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002001c7a945$527d2800$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Blown EC2 Serial Ports was [FlyRotary] Re: Frustration. The seriesl.... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:49:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7A923.CB1F3CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7A923.CB1F3CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 2. A short (possibly from probing around the backside of the EC2 = connector, I did that once : ) or a missing ground (even a momentary = loss) has caused one or both of the units to have blown their serial = data drivers or receivers. Plugging equipment in with the power on can = cause either of these conditions.=20 I know this won't help but #2 has happened often enough that the next = iteration of the EC2 and EM2 will have protection on these two lines. =20 Yes, I can attest that if you plug equipment in while power is on - it = can not only blow the Serial communcations out/in the EC2, but can also: 1. Completely wipe out the B controller 2. Place the A controller in the "Cold Start" function 3. Make it impossible to run the engine with all 4 injectors activated = (well, almost-it will sputter along with the cold start activated - IF = you put the mixture control in FULL Lean). 4. Make it necessary to fly with only two injectors activated (one = pair) Let me know if there is going to be a backward modification for = existing EC2s. And if so, when the modification is available and I'll = send mine in {:>) By the way, Welcome back home and to civilization. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html Tracy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bulent Aliev=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Frustration. The seriesl.... Thanks John, I had another "going nowhere" day. My neighbor's Lycoming start =20 looking very enticing :(. After day's work with another A&P that's much better with =20 electronics, I made no progress. NOP is still flashing and the injectors are dead. The rest is = working =20 fine. We should compile a list of causes and solutions for the flashing NOP and Tracy should have them = =20 in the manual? I will not bore you with the all the details today. Buly On May 19, 2007, at 1:29 PM, John Downing wrote: > Buly, quite often as I work on my project, which I refer to as =20 > Twice, as it seems like that is the way progress is made. Having = > spent countless hours on a tractor and driving trucks, I would =20 > entertain myself by doing rhymes, so this morning as I was redoing = =20 > the primer on the wings of the plane, this little ditty came to = me, =20 > so I will share it you in your plight in trying to get your engine = =20 > started. JohnD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Downing > To: Tailwind > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:55 AM > Subject: [TailwindForum] Builders tip - painting > > Be sure that you have all your drain and other holes located = before =20 > you start spraying this heavy primer around. Of course all you =20 > other builders know that. > > Murphy's Law.........From the Farm > > In a younger day, things went > right most all the time, > which to me seemed just fine. > > Now as years pass, Murphy has > chose to tag along. > filling my days with many wrongs. > > This morning as I was working on Twice, my thoughts as =20 > always were filled with mindless dribble. > > Farmer John > __._,_.___ > > The Tailwind Forum group site is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > TailwindForum > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > RedRed coralRed hat linux > Red hat linux trainingRed yeast rice > > Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | = Switch =20 > to Fully Featured > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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2.   A short (possibly from probing around the backside = of the=20 EC2 connector, I did that once : ) or a missing ground (even a = momentary=20 loss) has caused one or both of the units to have blown their = serial data=20 drivers or receivers.  Plugging equipment in with the power on = can=20 cause either of these conditions. 
 
I know this won't help but #2 has happened often enough that the = next=20 iteration of the EC2 and EM2 will have protection on these two = lines.
 
 
Yes, I can attest = that if you plug=20 equipment in while power is on - it can not only blow the Serial = communcations=20 out/in the EC2, but can also:
 
1.  Completely = wipe out the B=20 controller
2.  Place the A = controller in=20 the "Cold Start" function
3. Make it impossible = to run the=20 engine with all 4 injectors activated (well, almost-it will sputter=20 along with the cold start activated - IF you put the mixture = control=20 in FULL Lean).
4. Make it = necessary to fly=20 with only two injectors activated (one pair)
 
 
Let me know if there = is going to be=20 a backward modification for existing EC2s.  And if so, when the=20 modification is available and I'll send mine in {:>)
 
By the way, Welcome = back home and=20 to civilization.
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary=20 Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.comhttp:/= /members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda= /index.html
 
 
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: Bulent Aliev
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 = 6:32=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Frustration. The=20 seriesl....

Thanks John,
I had another  "going nowhere" = day. My=20 neighbor's Lycoming start 
looking very enticing = :(.
After day's=20 work with another A&P that's much better with  =
electronics, I=20 made no progress.
NOP is still flashing and the injectors are = dead. The=20 rest is working 
fine. We should compile a list = of
causes and=20 solutions for the flashing NOP and Tracy should have them  =
in the=20 manual?
I will not bore you with the all the details=20 today.
Buly


On May 19, 2007, at 1:29 PM, John Downing=20 wrote:

> Buly, quite often as I work on my project, which = I refer=20 to as 
> Twice, as it seems like that is the way = progress is=20 made.  Having 
> spent countless hours on a tractor = and=20 driving trucks, I would 
> entertain myself by doing = rhymes, so=20 this morning as I was redoing 
> the primer on the wings = of the=20 plane, this little ditty came to me, 
> so I will share = it you=20 in your plight in trying to get your engine 
> = started. =20 JohnD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John=20 Downing
> To: Tailwind
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 = 10:55=20 AM
> Subject: [TailwindForum] Builders tip - = painting
>
>=20 Be sure that you have all your drain and other holes located = before =20
> you start spraying this heavy primer around.  Of = course all=20 you 
> other builders know=20 that.
>
>        = Murphy's=20 Law.........From the=20 Farm
>
>        In a = younger=20 day, things went
>        = right=20 most all the time,
>        = which=20 to me seemed just=20 fine.
>
>        Now = as years=20 pass, Murphy has
>        = chose to=20 tag along.
>        filling = my days=20 with many = wrongs.
>
>       =20 This morning as I was working on Twice, my thoughts as  =
> always=20 were filled with mindless=20 dribble.
>
>        = Farmer=20 John
> __._,_.___
>
> The Tailwind Forum group = site is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20
> = TailwindForum
>
>
>
>
>
>=20 SPONSORED LINKS
> RedRed coralRed hat linux
> Red hat = linux=20 trainingRed yeast rice
>
> Your email settings: = Individual=20 Email|Traditional
> Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID=20 required)
> Change settings via email: Switch delivery to = Daily Digest=20 | Switch 
> to Fully Featured
> Visit Your Group | = Yahoo!=20 Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe
>
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