X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.225.93] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2081382 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 07:10:47 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.225.93; envelope-from=wschertz@comcast.net Received: from wschertzpc (c-24-7-194-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net[24.7.194.231]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070603103850b1300qhml8e>; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:38:51 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Bill Schertz" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Houston, we have a problem... Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 05:38:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7A5A1.763A04E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16386 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16386 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7A5A1.763A04E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you have fuel pressure? When you first announced your engine start, = you indicated that you poured (2?) gallons of premix in the sump. Have = you added any?=20 Bill (ask the obvious) Schertz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Christopher Barber=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:20 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Houston, we have a problem... I plan to go back and read the list, espcially the stuff on Buly's = recent issues, HOWEVER, I went out to the airport after work today to show off my running = engine to him. I flipped the switches UP , hit the start button and = it started up. It ran for a bit fine, but since I was afraid I may be = running it too fast and don't want it to get too hot (if you remember we = do not have any sensors or the monitor hooked up yet, so we have been = VERY conservative since first start on Wednedsday) I throttled back to = slow down the engine. I must have throttled back too much and the = engine died. I have had this happen before, so I pushed the starter = button again and the engine just turned over and would not fire. = Sounded just like it did on Tuesday when we had the injector switches = reversed on/off...so, seemingly, no injectors. Nothing unusual = happened...no pop, no bang, no sparks, nothing. My ECU does not have the trouble shooting upgrade yet, so I checked = the plugs while turning over the engin with fuel pumps off (no prob on = as of yet) and I have spark. However, we do not seem to have any noise = coming from the injectors at all. I tried on both A and B to no avail. = After checking to see if any wires had come loose and other basic = trouble shooting, I was becoming frustrated (and a little angry) and for = the first time in my 4.9 year build I was feeling a bit discouraged. I am new to fuel injection and ECU's. Any quick guidance y'all may be = able to provide on where to start will be appreaciated. I did check to = see if the injectors were getting any power by using a test light where = the wire goes into the injector housing and three seem to be getting = power on both wires (both primaries and one secondary)....every once and = a while during this "test", I would hear a slight click, but that was = inconsistant. When I checked for power at the resistors (as our set up = uses them), the primaries did show power but the secondaries did not. This has probably all been coverd on the list and I will try to find = it, however, I am about to hit the sack since I get up at 4:30 am for = work and 10:15 pm is well past my bedtime I did take off tomorrow = and I hope to spend most of the day in the hangar, so any quick insight = that I can apply tomorrow is greatly appreciated. Heck, just y'all = allowing me to vent for a few minutes is reelly helpful. Thanks. All the best, Chris ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7A5A1.763A04E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do you have fuel pressure? When you = first announced=20 your engine start, you indicated that you poured (2?) gallons of premix = in the=20 sump. Have you added any?
 
Bill (ask the obvious) = Schertz
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Christopher Barber =
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 = 10:20=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Houston, = we have a=20 problem...

I plan to go back and read the list, = espcially=20 the stuff on Buly's recent issues, HOWEVER,
 
I went out to the airport after work = today to=20 show off my running engine to him.  I flipped the switches UP = <g>,=20 hit the start button and it started up.  It ran for a bit fine, = but since=20 I was afraid I may be running it too fast and don't want it to get too = hot (if=20 you remember we do not have any sensors or the monitor hooked up yet, = so we=20 have been VERY conservative since first start on Wednedsday) I = throttled back=20 to slow down the engine.  I must have throttled back too much and = the=20 engine died.  I have had this happen before, so I pushed the = starter=20 button again and the engine just turned over and would not fire.  = Sounded=20 just like it did on Tuesday when we had the injector switches reversed = on/off...so, seemingly, no injectors.  Nothing unusual = happened...no pop,=20 no bang, no sparks, nothing.
 
My ECU does not have the trouble = shooting upgrade=20 yet, so I checked the plugs while turning over the engin with  = fuel pumps=20 off (no prob on as of yet) and I have spark.  However, we do not = seem to=20 have any noise coming from the injectors at all.  I tried on both = A and B=20 to no avail.  After checking to see if any wires had come = loose and=20 other basic trouble shooting, I was becoming frustrated (and a little=20 angry) and for the first time in my 4.9 year build I = was=20 feeling a bit discouraged.
 
I am new to fuel injection and = ECU's.  Any=20 quick guidance y'all may be able to provide on where to start will be=20 appreaciated.  I did check to see if the injectors were getting = any power=20 by using a test light where the wire goes into the injector housing = and three=20 seem to be getting power on both wires (both primaries and one=20 secondary)....every once and a while during this "test", I would hear = a slight=20 click, but that was inconsistant.  When I checked for power at = the=20 resistors (as our set up uses them), the primaries did show power but = the=20 secondaries did not.
 
This has probably all been coverd on = the list and=20 I will try to find it, however, I am about to hit the sack since I get = up at=20 4:30 am for work and 10:15 pm is well past my bedtime <g>  = I did=20 take off tomorrow and I hope to spend most of the day in the hangar, = so any=20 quick insight that I can apply tomorrow is greatly appreciated.  = Heck,=20 just y'all allowing me to vent for a few minutes is reelly = helpful. =20 Thanks.
 
All the best,
 
Chris
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