David, Could the no spark from controller B be due to your coil disable being engaged? If pins 12 and 13 on the EC2 are grounded you will get spark on controller A but not on B. Getting the static timing correct as stated in other posts is also crutial. You may get started before Buly gets re-started. Hope you both have successful starts and smooth runs. Jim
David Staten <Dastaten@earthlink.net> wrote: Thats right... Not quite.
Tonight Chris and I conducted a little "surge" of our own and gave it a go. Er.. No Go.
Here's the lowdown.. and We will entertain all pointers, no matter how obvious.
For those new to the group, Chris and I have a Mazda 13B 2nd gen turbo rotary engine, mated to a Velocity SE (the small one). Our install in
normally aspirated at this time. We have Tracy Crook's Real World Solutions Engine Controller (EC-2) and his PSRU/re-drive (RD-1B). Tracy's engine monitor (EM2) is not installed yet.We have dual batteries, and when finished, will have dual alternators and essentially two independent busses run by 2 different electrical systems in this all electric airplane. Mistral intake with integral throttle body in place.
Over the past week or so, we have sealed the oil lines, and have oil flow from the engine's oil pump, through the cooler in the front and then to a 2nd cooler under the aft cowl, thence to the block. PSRU oil comes off the rear iron out the stock oil pressure port. Stock oil pressure relief valves are in place (80# in the back, 135# or so in the front)
Electrical: Have been cranking in short spurts for about 2 weeks. During that time, we have powered the EC2. We have put the injectors and their
resistors in line (we have low impedance injectors x 4). Injectors have been clicked open with power across the terminals. Crank angle sensor was installed by me a LONG time ago, but i remember being meticulous about installing it at TDC on one of the front rotor faces at that time. Prior to our efforts today, chris took a junk spark plug, hooked it to one of the rear coils (the most accessible), grounded the plug and cranked. We had spark.
Manifold plumbing: We have two AN4 hoses from the intake to the firewall. We have pinhole restrictions in both ends of the manifold pressure tubing to dampen pressure fluctuations at the EC2's manifold pressure sensors. We verified airflow through both restrictions prior to start attempt.
Fuel: Today Chris sealed up the last of the fuel system (sealant on the fittings, reconnecting the vents). We went and got 2 gals of premium mogas and at about this point we decided to
try and shoot for first start (around 4 pm). Mixed 2 oz oil into the two gals, mixed well, poured into the right strake and it trickled down to the sump. We turned on the lower fuel pump and were rewarded with the sound of the fuel pump priming then a pressure indication on the fuel pressure regulator's attached steam gauge. We also found a leak.
When I did my initial fuel system design, I put a coarse filter (in-line barrel style) before the pumps, and a large, cannister style fine filter downstream of the pumps but upstream of the injectors. Rationale: coarse filter to keep debris out the pumps that would clog or damage them. The fine filter is to keep small stuff from clogging the injectors. When I last messed with the coarse filter I apparently crossthreaded the AN6-1/4 pipe fitting that goes on the inlet. Chris discovered this when he sealed the fuel system. We hoped it would work for the moment. It didnt.
Quickly removed the fine filter from the fuel system, put a check valve in there SIMPLY as a union (AN6 on both ends). The fact its a check valve is no factor here.. its a placeholder device. Pumped up the system again and got a good 20 psi from one pump. Adjusted the regulator until we got a full 45 psi on one pump. Both pumps on puts it closer to 55. We mopped up the small amount of spilled gas, made sure things were ventilated well and carried on.
Given that we do not have the proper inlet air temp probe installed (apparently it came with the EC2), I instructed Chris to crank on controller B Mode 0 (the backup engine controller on Tracy's EC2. Controller B does not use the temp probe input but uses a set standard temp. Lights.. Camera... NOTHING. We cranked.. we had fuel flow through the regulator, we had needle bounce on the pressure gauge because the fuel pressure is manifold referenced.
Over the course of
troubleshooting we discovered that Controller B did not have spark. Controller A did. I had disconnected the wire to the installed temp probe we had temporarily in there since I had heard through the list that it may not work properly and I didn't want to skew the A controller (thats why i tried to crank on B in the first place - the temp probe issue).
So.. what we know:
We had no indication of combustion occurring. No pops. No sputters. No catches.
Crank angle sensor must be working, because the thing is sparking as we crank. (on controller A). We do not have test mode for injectors and plugs. We have not gotten that upgrade.
We have fuel to the fuel pressure regulator and PRESUMABLY downstream. We have not broken the couplings to confirm this yet.
We have spark on one of the coils. We will verify on all four. New plugs, 7's and 9's, installed for this event. Spark verified with an old plug
that came with the engine.
I did not hear the injectors clicking during the cranking. I do not know if i COULD have heard em clicking. I tried touching one injector during cranking and did not feel anything discernable. I asked if we have a sweep multimeter so that we can check this tomorrow, on all four injectors.
We tried with cold start on at first, then off, mixture at "1 o'clock" (slightly rich), default program. I did not smell fuel in the exhaust pipe. We have a straight pipe in place temporarily. I had to stand next to the exhaust pipe to get close to the injectors.. while cranking with hot plugs. In a hangar. Yea.. That would have been loud. I think this (fuel) is our most likely source of our problem here.
Fuel pressure oscillated during cranking. Does this need to be dampened? (this is the only instrumentation at this point).
Does program B come with default on it? (I have not read the manual
regarding this just yet)
So.. there you have it. We were VERY close to turning dinosaurs into decibels. More tomorrow. Feedback from folks familiar with the Rotary and EC2 combination is highly desired.
Dave
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