X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.70] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2074853 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 30 May 2007 12:12:34 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.70; envelope-from=CBarber@TexasAttorney.net Received: from [24.238.254.112] (helo=BLF) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HtQmC-0001EZ-BY for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 30 May 2007 12:11:56 -0400 From: "Christopher Barber" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: First Start... Well... Not Quite.. Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:12:19 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_047C_01C7A2A3.01C03090" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: 04a7e290e6af3b12d3631fa4f7b525ef239a348a220c26098e9e7b5c1e9e2e449362937fd27476c63ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.238.254.112 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_047C_01C7A2A3.01C03090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageI was wondering about the fuel return too, not as to why we are not getting a start, but more in general since the Mistral intake has a pin hole at the end of the fuel rail as it enters the return hose. The return line is the same size as the inlet lines.....fitted for a AN 6 connection (can't think what makes the hose) Chris Christopher Barber Attorney and Counselor at Law 5110 Bissonnet, No 418 Bellaire, Texas 77401 Serving the Needs of Senior Texans 281-464-LAWS (5297) 281-754-4168 Fax www.TexasAttorney.net -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Russell Duffy Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:47 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First Start... Well... Not Quite.. Have you tried the injector simulation test to see if the injectors are working? How long has this feature been in the EC-2? I was thinking this was a new addition, so most people still wouldn't have it??? I've sure never known about it until recently, and I made a note to try mine to see if this works. I would vote for fuel as well, though I'd also recheck the CAS as Ed mentioned. If you did that much cranking, some with cold start on, you'd have to smell fuel in the exhaust if your injectors were working. As for fuel pressure, what size is your fuel return line to the tanks? Most people get a couple psi increase with the second pump. To get as much as you have, I'm thinking the fuel return can't flow enough to return the volume from both pumps at once. This isn't necessarily something that has to be fixed though. Good luck, Rusty ------=_NextPart_000_047C_01C7A2A3.01C03090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I was=20 wondering about the fuel return too, not as to why we are not getting a = start,=20 but more in general since the Mistral intake has a pin hole at the end = of the=20 fuel rail as it enters the return hose.
 
The=20 return line is the same size as the inlet lines.....fitted for a AN 6 = connection=20 (can't think what makes the hose)
 
Chris
 

Christopher Barber
Attorney and Counselor at = Law
5110=20 Bissonnet, No 418
Bellaire, Texas 77401

Serving the Needs of = Senior=20 Texans

281-464-LAWS (5297)
281-754-4168 = Fax
www.TexasAttorney.net=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Russell=20 Duffy
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:47 AM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First Start... = Well...=20 Not Quite..

Have you tried the injector simulation test to see if the = injectors are=20 working?   
 
How long=20 has this feature been in the EC-2?  I was thinking this was = a new=20 addition, so most people still wouldn't have it???  I've sure = never known=20 about it until recently, and I made a note to try mine to see if this=20 works. 
 
I would=20 vote for fuel as well, though I'd also recheck the CAS as Ed=20 mentioned.   If you did that much cranking, some with = cold=20 start on, you'd have to smell fuel in the exhaust if your injectors = were=20 working.   
 
As for fuel=20 pressure, what size is your fuel return line to the tanks?  Most = people=20 get a couple psi increase with the second pump.  To get as much = as you=20 have, I'm thinking the fuel return can't flow enough to return the = volume from=20 both pumps at once.  This isn't necessarily something that has to = be=20 fixed though. 
 
Good=20 luck,
Rusty
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