X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.177] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2072827 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 May 2007 11:31:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.146.177; envelope-from=hansconser@gmail.com Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v33so1557984wah for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 08:30:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZKyrvEYG0BaIFXb8eixGWgkm9cddwNNlWFvVE38QCjWMMSBGX0f7rmJf7LNfo9Lt7qqPDqEq+uPn+eCpYAfRgVQI0PBP48nE7AbcGEVczO89YdatCu7oE/zLKQbXMMWBgs/7teYCUCm9woPS1DHbEA47eTvNgb62DNWvLmbhTb4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=U8ZSKFM9mFXcUzLLJmW1ydidwcXcRX103cynuv9VhoqFY4n/Bmr5NfyEvcgUTIzXRwegb9XPBrj2I5cg8p9AfjOBGc5SqmRaAkmO9xM86BHzxeXExIuKEDwQGR2gPrvtj77MSKOvvzN4MtVmMJwUK0u4AzNZYOwhBekxO9Cexxk= Received: by 10.115.60.1 with SMTP id n1mr3478073wak.1180452639651; Tue, 29 May 2007 08:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.77.12 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2007 08:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2e24f88d0705290830q1c2d2447ja8cff09638a79e1d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:30:39 -0600 From: "Hans Conser" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] James Cowl - RV-7a - Renesis - Cooling In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Denis, before you going adding vanes, I would measure the Delta P with a manometer. There are a few questions I have after looking at your pictures. 1) It is unclear how clear the space behind the radiator is, can you show us a picture of that area? 2) The only line I see going to the radiator looks to be the same diameter as the line going to the oil cooler. Is this a burp line or the actual radiator line? If so it looks very small! 3) Do you have a sealing mechanism between the cowl and the coolers? Hans On 5/27/07, Dennis Haverlah wrote: > I had very marginal cooling on my first and second flight - RV 7A, James > cowl, Griffin Scirocco aluminum double pass water radiator with a Mazda > 1989? RX-7 oil cooler. Water radiator fin size - 22LX13WX2.5T inches. > Oil - 19LX4.5WX 2T inches. The radiators are mounted side-by-side > under the engine and are at about 25 - 30 degree to the inlet air flow. > (The air must turn 60-65 deg to flow through the radiators) See photos > 1 and 2. After my first 2 flights, I constructed a divider/duct to > provide a duct for the engine combustion air to make the sharp turn 90 > deg. up after the inlet to get to the filter. The bottom of this duct > was also supposed to provide a duct wall for the air going to the > radiators. See photo 3. Two flights demonstrated this really hurt - > not helped - my cooling. Now I can barely take off and fly the pattern > before getting up to 210 - 215 on oil and water. The divider duct took > out about 8-10 sq. in. of inlet area but removed the engine combustion > air requirement form the remaining inlet air going in the larger inlet. > > My inlet is about 50 sq. in. and the outlet is about 67 sq. in. This > cowl was used successfully on the Power Sport a/c so I believe the inlet > and outlet are at least big enough for 160 + hp. When I first posted > pictures of the radiator installation someone suggested I may need > turning vanes to improve flow to the radiators. I am now ready to try > the turning vanes below the radiators. > > Does anyone have info. I can use to design the turning vanes? The K&W > document on page 273 mentions guide vanes but does not go into detail. > I am thinking of 2 inch wide vanes long enough to go from the left to > right side of the radiators and spaced 4 inches apart with the top of > the vanes about 3/4 inch below the radiator fins. > Comments or -- Any other ideas? > > Dennis H. > > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > >