X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-05.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.104] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2072808 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 May 2007 11:20:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.104; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-103-061.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.103.61]) by ms-smtp-05.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l4TFJmk2006364 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 11:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01c7a204$cff57f50$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Cooling Recommendations Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:19:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7A1E3.488E1E30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7A1E3.488E1E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lehanover@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cooling Recommendations In a message dated 5/29/2007 10:31:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = wilenius@sympatico.ca writes: Be aware that HVAC ducting is generally not dealing with air flows = that they have to slow down from 160 + MPH. While I do not pretend to = be HVAC knowledgeable - the environment and conditions are different - = that is not to say there may not be good ideas there - just a different = environment. =20 Ed True enough, but most rules don't change until supersonic flow enters = the picture.=20 The turn vanes look remarkably like the vanes in the compressor = section of jet engines.=20 In all cases the losses would be lower at the lowest possible speeds.=20 Would there be any savings in drag, if the size of the inlet openings = could be changed along with the cowl flap openings? My friends Bonanza = has plates that fit into the inlets for winter operation, as just closed = cowl flaps are still too much cooling.=20 Lynn E. Hanover=20 I agree, Lynn most rules do not change. However, making air turn at = different velocities can be a factor that is affected. A curve that = will turn air with minimum turbulence at 10 mph velocity may create = severe turbulence at higher velocities. From what I read, the Reynolds = number plays a key role in boundary layer interaction on surfaces even = when not supersonic. On the other hand, since 99 % of what we do is at = the eye-ball engineering style - any examples is bound to be helpful. Ed ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7A1E3.488E1E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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From:=20 Lehanover@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 = 10:54=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Cooling=20 Recommendations

In a message dated 5/29/2007 10:31:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = wilenius@sympatico.ca = writes:
Be aware that HVAC ducting is generally not = dealing=20 with air flows that they have to slow down from 160 + MPH.  = While I do=20 not pretend to be HVAC knowledgeable - the environment and = conditions are=20 different - that is not to say there may not be good ideas there - = just a=20 different environment.
 
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Ed
True enough, but most rules don't change until supersonic flow = enters the=20 picture.
The turn vanes look remarkably like the vanes in the compressor = section=20 of jet engines.
 
In all cases the losses would be lower at the lowest possible = speeds.=20
 
Would there be any savings in drag, if the size of the inlet = openings=20 could be changed along with the cowl flap openings? My friends Bonanza = has=20 plates that fit into the inlets for winter operation, as just closed = cowl=20 flaps are still too much cooling.
 
Lynn E. Hanover 


 I agree, Lynn most rules do not = change. =20 However, making air turn at different velocities can be a factor = that is=20 affected.  A curve that will turn air with minimum turbulence at = 10 mph=20 velocity may create severe turbulence at higher velocities.  From = what I=20 read, the Reynolds number plays a key role in boundary layer = interaction on=20 surfaces even when not supersonic.  On the other hand, since 99 % = of what=20 we do is at the eye-ball engineering style - any examples is bound to = be=20 helpful.
 
Ed
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