X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 10 [X] Return-Path: Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.251] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2054328 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 19 May 2007 22:23:53 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.132.251; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so381817ana for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:23:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sDuF7LRjUoNXUiIwpPBIuJzM2nybaU2It4w6HAOG7+43ecgKbDlN9oVxJ3gHGjHv755I+jb868ESGQWJko2m8Zg6u4cK6+0aNef6F5EUnHmUYR2EYCvLTQoOr0M+dVaFomrgBheD1QVTzQKVZp9a44R2dKDjXWOAHHwzaBUb5/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rxEC2nEGP4ZtjcEfVHLPs8K+B6yiWB7orG2iJHTLyc0GWuz+5fTcwrFgFp7coIMCcVTFK/7ah3N20ccNZZXsEAGzUkxS+jbYM5duRYTIRBBhd5Vpc3bnwDobOuT2qlx6sibXYJbj+mHWX5ePgeAQSB8FwpJF3O3RFkp/f8psHnw= Received: by 10.100.57.14 with SMTP id f14mr2135671ana.1179627796852; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.174.8 with HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5cf132c0705191923x1acc4f5erbd962d70b6042ef1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:23:16 -0500 From: "Mark Steitle" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: FW: [FlyRotary] Frustration. The seriesl.... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_89466_13933135.1179627796779" References: ------=_Part_89466_13933135.1179627796779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Buly, Sorry for the brevity. "NO" is for Normally Open, "NC" is for Normally Closed. The injector relay has an "NO" terminal which the contacts are open when unenergized, and an "NC" terminal which is closed when unenergized. When Tracy did the snubber upagrade, he instructed me that the wire connected to the NO (or NC) terminal needed to be switched from how it was before the snubber upgrade. Sorry, I don't remember which one is the correct one. Check the schematic furnished with the new manual. (Not the one showing only the injector circuit as it is incorrect. Use the more detailed one towards the back of the manual, it is correct.) If I can find his NO vs. NC email, I'll repost it. Mark S. On 5/19/07, Bulent Aliev wrote: > > Tracy did not mention it, and my unit is from 2002. What is NO > terminal? I'll check the schematic tomorrow if I have time to get to > the airport? > Thanks Mark. > Buly > > On May 19, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Mark Steitle wrote: > > > Buly, > > Here's a possibility... Did Tracy mention the wiring change to the > > injector relay circuit? There is a lead that was connected to the > > NC terminal, and after the snubber upgrade is now connected to the > > NO terminal, or visa versa. (Sorry, my manual is at the > > airport.) Check the wiring diagram shown in the new manual. > > (Note: There is an error on the injector schematic which shows just > > the injector circuit. You want to look closely at the diagram > > showing injectors, CAS, coils, etc.) That could possibly explain > > the injector problems. > > > > Mark S. > > > > > > On 5/19/07, Bob White wrote: Pins 33 and 34 > > are correct, and power to either one should power both > > processors (unless Tracy did one of his stealth improvements). > > > > Bob W. > > > > On Sat, 19 May 2007 16:38:28 -0800 > > "Al Gietzen" wrote: > > > > > > > > NOTE: In the prior message below I mention the power input pins > > as 33 and 34 > > > - that's what it is on my 20B version. It could be different on > > the 2-rotor > > > version (although unlikely). > > > > > > Al > > > > > > > > > Buly; > > > > > > Two things: Have you checked that the processor chip(s) are > > fully seated in > > > plug (base); and - is the behavior the same for both controllers? > > > > > > If you have +12 power to pins 33 or 34, and you have the serial lead > > > connected to the EM2, and the processor in functioning, you > > should not see > > > NOP. Possibly something has happened in shipping or handling. > > If the > > > processor is not functioning of course you can not trigger the > > injectors. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > Al > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/ > > flyrotary/List.html > > > > > > -- > > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com > > 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding > > Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/ > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/ > > flyrotary/List.html > > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > ------=_Part_89466_13933135.1179627796779 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Buly,
Sorry for the brevity.  "NO" is for Normally Open, "NC" is for Normally Closed.  The injector relay has an "NO" terminal which the contacts are open when unenergized, and an "NC" terminal which is closed when unenergized.  When Tracy did the snubber upagrade, he instructed me that the wire connected to the NO (or NC) terminal needed to be switched from how it was before the snubber upgrade.  Sorry, I don't remember which one is the correct one. Check the schematic furnished with the new manual.  (Not the one showing only the injector circuit as it is incorrect.  Use the more detailed one towards the back of the manual, it is correct.)
 
If I can find his NO vs. NC email, I'll repost it. 
 
Mark S.

 
On 5/19/07, Bulent Aliev <atlasyts@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Tracy did not mention it, and my unit is from 2002. What is NO
terminal? I'll check the schematic tomorrow if I have time to get to
the airport?
Thanks Mark.
Buly

On May 19, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Mark Steitle wrote:

> Buly,
> Here's a possibility... Did Tracy mention the wiring change to the
> injector relay circuit?  There is a lead that was connected to the
> NC terminal, and after the snubber upgrade is now connected to the
> NO terminal, or visa versa.  (Sorry, my manual is at the
> airport.)   Check the wiring diagram shown in the new manual.
> (Note: There is an error on the injector schematic which shows just
> the injector circuit.  You want to look closely at the diagram
> showing injectors, CAS, coils, etc.)  That could possibly explain
> the injector problems.
>
> Mark S.
>
>
> On 5/19/07, Bob White < rlwhite@comcast.net> wrote: Pins 33 and 34
> are correct, and power to either one should power both
> processors (unless Tracy did one of his stealth improvements).
>
> Bob W.
>
> On Sat, 19 May 2007 16:38:28 -0800
> "Al Gietzen" <ALVentures@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > NOTE: In the prior message below I mention the power input pins
> as 33 and 34
> > - that's what it is on my 20B version.  It could be different on
> the 2-rotor
> > version (although unlikely).
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > Buly;
> >
> > Two things:  Have you checked that the processor chip(s) are
> fully seated in
> > plug (base); and -  is the behavior the same for both controllers?
> >
> > If you have +12 power to pins 33 or 34, and you have the serial lead
> > connected to the EM2, and the processor in functioning, you
> should not see
> > NOP.  Possibly something has happened in shipping or handling.
> If the
> > processor is not functioning of course you can not trigger the
> injectors.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > --
> > Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
> > Archive and UnSub:   http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/
> flyrotary/List.html
>
>
> --
> N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com
> 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding
> Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/
>
> --
> Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
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> flyrotary/List.html
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