X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 64 [XX] (51%) BODY: contains "ambien" obfuscated (26%) URL: contains host with port number (-24%) URL: weird port adjustment Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao101.cox.net ([68.230.241.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2050856 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 18 May 2007 01:34:20 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.45; envelope-from=alventures@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070518053339.ZNZS14313.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 01:33:39 -0400 Received: from BigAl ([72.192.132.90]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0VZg1X00B1xAn3c0000000; Fri, 18 May 2007 01:33:40 -0400 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] EC2 probe grounding. Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 22:34:00 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c79916$85359500$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 My take on this is that the circuit and firmware in the EC2 is set up = for a specific sensor. The early version used a 10K thermister, and the later version, a 3K. In putting in some other sensor than the one Tracy = supplies, you best have some input from Tracy. If yours has about a 3K resistance = at ambient, it may be OK. In the current version one side is connected to pin 1 (ground) and the = other to pin 31. Early version connected pin 11 (+5v, I think) and pin 31. I'm having some issues with mine right now, and it may be because I have = a 10K sensor, and a newer replacement ECU. You can connect a fixed = resistor in place of the sensor (probably a 3K Ohm in your case), and it will = work just fine until you are sure what you need.=20 Al To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] EC2 probe grounding. Just pinging the group on this. Chris (and every once in a while I) are to the stage of wiring up=20 goodies to the EC2. We have the injectors, resistors and most of that=20 stuff done. Next is the inlet air temp sensor for the EC2 (to be=20 followed by all the other sensors for the EM2). There are two wires for the EC2 air temp sensor. There are conflicting=20 instructions and diagrams with regards to a new and old scheme that=20 involve 2 of 3 possible pins on the plug (I think it was 1, 11 and 31,=20 but not positive - you can look at the EC2 diagrams regarding this. Anyways, the VDO air temp probe I am using is a 1/8" NPT 300 degree F=20 with a terminal on top that can receive a female spade connector. The top terminal is clearly insulated from the rest of the probe, and=20 the body of the probe is the ground. What is the best method for wiring this type of probe.. obviously one=20 wire to the top terminal, the positive if so designated. But do we put a = ring terminal on the body of the probe and hook up the second EC2 wire=20 to it? Or do we consider the engine block the ground, which the intake=20 will be firmly attached to, and connect the second wire to our forest of = tabs grounding block on the firewall. It seems that grounding the probe with a ring terminal can introduce a=20 ground loop because now there are two potential paths back to the EC2.=20 Are the air temp leads electrically isolated (transformer coupled, for=20 instance) or is a ground loop possible. More than anything else, I would like to hear from those of you who are=20 flying with the EC2, because at this point I need practical, not=20 theoretical help. I know Tracy is off the grid, so I may wait a while to = hear from him, but the rest of you with EC2 rotary time, please tell me=20 how your set-up is set up. Dave (and Chris) -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html