X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 10 [X] Return-Path: Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.241] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2050320 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:26:54 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.132.241; envelope-from=rotary.thjakits@gmail.com Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so207113ana for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:26:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=T7Oj47N+D91nZwRYstHJti10AqMWUFs1ThlEa2FyUz3FfOejHzd++PWwxm3jo+Kyg1YBE310JNmgtaM6J+47p8pL+briVQznWJdym4PP2gbuHdPHJeCDCBUe9kZzuRUEw+yZZqDc1QlOYhzFHsW/gktG7CTqVHA6o7ZLpQaJOEk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=l873be1DFqTkgN9s0slFDggFp4klf3d0IarpneGS7c+e7EksHXhChWpLjbU2MuKz81J6b27OIdoE7FIXJOX0as5y9hXZqjuZ/s+BPLaJcQbcqZsG/1L2TFNqr5B+RZsoLtBotmtgSKh+nC87rfF8ojRr5H27fzf7I2IRAoKxBdo= Received: by 10.100.194.7 with SMTP id r7mr623765anf.1179437174355; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.96.15 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <63163d560705171426k7099a501l95ed76ab32d30ff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:26:14 -0500 From: "Thomas Jakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Frustrating Sunday In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52661_19708500.1179437174255" References: ------=_Part_52661_19708500.1179437174255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah Bob - that was a really low one!! Such stuff is normally coming in only from the West somewhere! :))) TJ On 5/15/07, Ed Anderson wrote: > > Hey, watch that Bob. I've never told it that it was "different" that the > other rotary installations. {:>) > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob White" > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:27 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Frustrating Sunday > > > > Ed, > > > > The EM2 is powered up independently from the EC2. The flashing NOP is > > the normal indication if there is no serial communication with the > > EC2. It really sound like there is a problem with Buly's EC2. > > > > Bob W. (Maybe your engine found out it was installed plugs up.) > > (Sorry! The devil made me do it.) > > > > On Mon, 14 May 2007 21:15:19 -0400 > > "Ed Anderson" wrote: > > > >> Sounds like you have clearly shown connectivity between the EC2 and > >> injectors, Buly. Before, Tracy put in the injector (mode 1) and > ignition > >> (Mode 8) simulation circuits, I would have said look to make certain > your > >> crank angle sensor is still properly connected. But, my understanding > is > >> that the simulation circuits do not require the CAS to function > properly. > >> In other words they "act" is if they are being trigger by a CAS but > >> actually > >> are being trigger by an internal circuit simulating the out put of the > >> CAS. > >> > >> Since you indicate you do get spark when using the mode 8 ignition > >> simulation circuits - it sounds like the problem is isolated to the > >> circuits > >> which trigger the darlington transistors which ground the injectors. > >> > >> Just because, I can't think of anything else - have you tried it with > the > >> EM2 unplugged from its EC2 connection? You indicate you are getting a > >> NOP > >> which as pointed out by several could mean no power from the EC2 to the > >> EM2 > >> OR simply no communication along the serial data circuit between the > two. > >> I > >> don't have an EM2 so not familiar with how it is powered, IF indeed > the > >> EM2 has the NOP because it is not getting power from the EC2 how could > >> you > >> tell independent of the NOP blinking and does it mean anything relative > >> to > >> your problem? Could it mean some part of the EC2 is not getting power > >> and > >> therefore the EM2 is not getting power from it as well? > >> > >> Had a root canal done on a tooth today, so not certain I am going to be > >> up > >> to laying around under the aircraft tomorrow - to see why my engine > won't > >> start. I do know that my injector simulation circuit is working > because > >> in > >> mode 1 they click like mad. I suspect my problem is ignition. > >> > >> So sort of in the same pickle - can't run the engine, planning on going > >> to > >> Mid-Atlantic flyin this Friday - provided of course, I can fix the > >> problem > >> and get the engine running. > >> > >> I just can't think of anything else to suggest, Buly. If I come up > with > >> a > >> brain storm, I'll let you know. > >> > >> Ed > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bulent Aliev" > >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > >> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:56 PM > >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Frustrating Sunday > >> > >> > >> > Latest installment: > >> > After work I performed a new battery of tests; > >> > With the harness plugged in the EC2 and the ground connected, I > >> > removed > >> > the board and performed all the tests suggested by all, buy touching > >> > the > >> > the pins on the back where they are soldered to the board. This way > I > >> > eliminated the the possibility of bad connector pin. There is power > to > >> > both 12V+ pins. Triggered all the injectors from the ground return > >> > pins > >> > as Tracy suggested. > >> > Also checked the pins to make sure one is not sinking when pressed > >> > down. > >> > They are all solid, even and straight. > >> > I wander, what is triggering the grounding pins in the EC? Since the > >> > injector priming and testing features are not working, but all the > >> > others > >> > do? > >> > Buly > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> > Archive and UnSub: > >> > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive and UnSub: > >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > > > -- > > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com > > 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding > > Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/ > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: > > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > ------=_Part_52661_19708500.1179437174255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Yeah Bob - that was a really low one!!
Such stuff is normally coming in only from the West somewhere! :)))
 
TJ

 
On 5/15/07, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Hey, watch that Bob.  I've never told it that it was "different" that the
other rotary installations. {:>)

Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob White" <rlwhite@comcast.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" < flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Frustrating Sunday


> Ed,
>
> The EM2 is powered up independently from the EC2.  The flashing NOP is
> the normal indication if there is no serial communication with the
> EC2.  It really sound like there is a problem with Buly's EC2.
>
> Bob W. (Maybe your engine found out it was installed plugs up.)
>       (Sorry! The devil made me do it.)
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 21:15:19 -0400
> "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you have clearly shown connectivity between the EC2 and
>> injectors, Buly.  Before, Tracy put in the injector (mode 1) and ignition
>> (Mode 8) simulation circuits, I would have said look to make certain your
>> crank angle sensor is still properly connected.  But, my understanding is
>> that the simulation circuits do not require the CAS to function properly.
>> In other words they "act" is if they are being trigger by a CAS but
>> actually
>> are being trigger by an internal circuit simulating the out put of the
>> CAS.
>>
>> Since you indicate you do get spark when using the mode 8 ignition
>> simulation circuits - it sounds like the problem is isolated to the
>> circuits
>> which trigger the darlington transistors which ground the injectors.
>>
>> Just because, I can't think of anything else - have you tried it with the
>> EM2 unplugged from its EC2 connection?  You indicate you are getting a
>> NOP
>> which as pointed out by several could mean no power from the EC2 to the
>> EM2
>> OR simply no communication along the serial data circuit between the two.
>> I
>> don't have an EM2 so not familiar with how it is powered,   IF indeed the
>> EM2 has the NOP because it is not getting power from the EC2 how could
>> you
>> tell independent of the NOP blinking and does it mean anything relative
>> to
>> your problem?  Could it mean some part of the EC2 is not getting power
>> and
>> therefore the EM2 is not getting power from it as well?
>>
>> Had a root canal done on a tooth today, so not certain I am going to be
>> up
>> to laying around under the aircraft tomorrow - to see why my engine won't
>> start.  I do know that my injector simulation circuit is working because
>> in
>> mode 1 they click like mad.  I suspect my problem is ignition.
>>
>> So sort of in the same pickle - can't run the engine, planning on going
>> to
>> Mid-Atlantic flyin this Friday - provided of course, I can fix the
>> problem
>> and get the engine running.
>>
>> I just can't think of anything else to suggest, Buly.  If I come up with
>> a
>> brain storm, I'll let you know.
>>
>> Ed
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bulent Aliev" <atlasyts@bellsouth.net >
>> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:56 PM
>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Frustrating Sunday
>>
>>
>> > Latest installment:
>> > After work I performed a new battery of tests;
>> > With the harness plugged in the EC2 and the ground connected, I
>> > removed
>> > the board and performed all the tests suggested by all, buy  touching
>> > the
>> > the pins on the back where they are soldered to the  board. This way I
>> > eliminated the the possibility of bad connector  pin. There is power to
>> > both 12V+ pins. Triggered all the injectors  from the ground return
>> > pins
>> > as Tracy suggested.
>> > Also checked the pins to make sure one is not sinking when pressed
>> > down.
>> > They are all solid, even and straight.
>> > I wander, what is triggering the grounding pins in the EC? Since the
>> > injector priming and testing features are not working, but all the
>> > others
>> > do?
>> > Buly
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
>> > Archive and UnSub:
>> > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>>
>>
>> --
>> Homepage:   http://www.flyrotary.com/
>> Archive and UnSub:
>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>
>
> --
> N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com
> 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding
> Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/
>
> --
> Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and UnSub:
> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html


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