Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #34822
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: hydraulic constant speed prop for rotarys
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:49:57 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Guess I did, Bill.  I know the governor has the pump to do this, its just I've not found a governor suitable for a rotary engine.  Most require a much slower rpm drive and they are heavy!.  Naturally, one could be machined, modified, etc and a place found on a rotary - but, MY point was that Tracy was not inclined to do this {:>).  I believe he decided that since there was no ready available governor suitable for the rotary (and he was not inclined to produce/modify one) that there was not much point to going to the extra expense of drilling the required hole. That was my only point.
 
Additionally, with his RV-4 hitting over 2000 fpm ROC with a fix pitch wooden prop, I would surmise that he probably did see much personal benefit from adding extra weight, incurring the additional cost of any type of CS prop.  Just my guess of course.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: hydraulic constant speed prop for rotarys

Ed,
 You missed the point on this item. The GOVERNOR has the pump to do this, Tracy need only provide a transfer area for the pressure. He could do a port into the bearing near the front with a circrumfrencial groove and a through hole on the shaft under the groove. This can be on the same bearing surface. This amounts to a small loss of bearing area but not enough to be a problem.
Bill Jepson  
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com
To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 5:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: hydraulic constant speed prop for rotarys

Bill,
 
Tracy considered doing that at one point.  I believe when he realized most Hydraulic controlled props required much higher oil pressure  than the 60-70 psi our oil system produces, he decided he didn't want to have to produce a Prop controller to provide the required oil pressure. 
 
Here is a excerpt from the MT propeller site regarding hydraulic pressure typically required.
 
The servo pressure necessary for changing pitch is generated by a gear pump located inside the propeller governor, which increases the oil pressure supplied by the engine by factor 6 or higher.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:46 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: hydraulic constant speed prop for rotarys

Dave, if you go with a Mistral PSRU you can run any Hyd/CS you want. I'm supprised Tracy hasn't gone to a hollow shaft on his PSRU since he runs a big plain bearing he could set up a port for a CS prop.
Bill Jepson
HEY!  That's like saying that the store is giving out free ice cream but not telling us which store..  :-)
 
Dave Leonard

 
On 12/18/06, lou rubin <grdflyguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
While we are on the subject of props I want to bring
to the groups attention we are installing a constant
speed hydraulic prop on a SA2 hub with Tracys 2.17 RD
The prop is very similar to MT design except its about
half the price & actuated hydraulically instead of
electrically. Im the past we havnt had any other CS
prop options except the electric because we dont
incorporate a hollow crankshaft as our Lycoming &
Continental cousins . We are mounting the prop on a
20B in a Lancair ES however,  it could be just as
easily installed on a 13B as well We will keep you
posted on our progress

We will be selling our IVO Magnum if there is anyone
interested & possibly the  2.17 RD in the future

Lou  N117ES
 

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