X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [204.127.225.94] (HELO alnrmhc11.comcast.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1238563 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:18:23 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.225.94; envelope-from=wschertz@comcast.net Received: from 7n7z201 (c-24-7-194-200.hsd1.il.comcast.net[24.7.194.200]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060716021730b140082riue>; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:17:40 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c6a87d$ff839670$c8c20718@7n7z201> From: "Bill Schertz" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: heater Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:17:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C6A854.10848F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C6A854.10848F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wendell, If a water based exchanger leaks in your cabin, the steam will *not* be = hotter than the water, but will certainly move through the space = quickly. I am using a Ford Escort heater core, my own home-made fan/duct = system. I have a shut off valve for the water to keep hot water from = coming into the exchanger until I want it, *and* a check valve on the = return, to keep water from coming in backwards if a leak developed. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wendell Voto=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: heater -----=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: heater Ernest. My oil temp generally runs 10C degrees cooler than the coolant = temperature. This is actually very desirable as the oil red line is 210F while = the coolant can go much higher. Also it will take longer for the oil to heat up than the coolant as = it's thermostat is activated at 140F degrees allowing flow through the = cooler, while the coolant thermostat is usually at 180F, if you have = one installed. Having said all that, I am currently using my oil cooler exhaust air = for cabin heat just because it was easier to do, since the oil cooler is = mounted to the firewall and has its own fresh air inlet and outlets. Jim Ernest Christley wrote: snip I'm using oil for cabin heating. It's hotter. --=20 ,|"|"|, Ernest Christley | Concerning cabin heaters, I had been planning on following John = Slade with the heater A/C combo until a conversation with a fellow Cozy = builder and he claimed that running the hot water lines inside (as would = need to be done on a Cozy) leads to a possible failure mode that could = cook the pilot and / or passengers. Said hot water from engine escaping = into cabin usually causes steam which somehow is hotter that the water = or is more likely to spray all over the place and cause great pain to = the occupants. Claimed this is what caused one of the air racers to = crash recently. Should I change to oil for the heat ? If so, what = exchanger will handle the oil pressure and spikes of the rotary? All = comments (sensible) welcome.=20 Wendell ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C6A854.10848F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wendell,
If a water based exchanger leaks in = your cabin, the=20 steam will *not* be hotter than the water, but will certainly move = through the=20 space quickly. I am using a Ford Escort heater core, my own home-made = fan/duct=20 system.  I have a shut off valve for the water to keep hot water = from=20 coming into the exchanger until I want it, *and* a check valve on the = return, to=20 keep water from coming in backwards if a leak developed.
 
 
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # = 4045
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wendell = Voto=20
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 = 6:17=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = heater

 
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = heater

Ernest.
My oil temp generally runs 10C degrees cooler than the coolant=20 temperature.
This is actually very desirable as the oil red line is 210F = while the=20 coolant can go much higher.
Also it will take longer for the oil to heat up than the = coolant as=20 it's thermostat is activated at 140F degrees allowing flow through = the=20 cooler, while the coolant thermostat is usually at 180F, = if=20 you  have one installed.
Having said all that, I am currently using my oil cooler = exhaust air=20 for cabin heat just because it was easier to do, since the oil = cooler is=20 mounted to the firewall and has its own fresh air inlet and = outlets.
Jim

Ernest Christley = <echristley@nc.rr.com>=20 wrote:
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I'm using oil for cabin heating. It's hotter.

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,|"|"|, Ernest Christley |
 
 
Concerning cabin heaters, I had = been=20 planning on following John Slade with the heater A/C combo until a = conversation with a fellow Cozy builder and he claimed that = running the=20 hot water lines inside (as would need to be done on a Cozy) leads = to a=20 possible failure mode that could cook the pilot and / or = passengers. =20 Said hot water from engine escaping into cabin usually causes = steam which=20 somehow is hotter that the water or is more likely to = spray all over=20 the place and cause great pain to the occupants.  = Claimed=20 this is what caused one of the air racers to crash recently. = Should I=20 change to oil for the heat ? If so, what exchanger will handle the = oil=20 pressure and spikes of the rotary?  All comments (sensible)=20 welcome. 
 
Wendell
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