X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.73] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.1) with ESMTP id 1212492 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:39:12 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.73; envelope-from=atlasyts@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm69aec.bellsouth.net ([70.149.1.20]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060629203829.ITXM2754.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm69aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:38:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.244] (really [70.149.1.20]) by ibm69aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060629203828.NDOL21533.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.0.244]> for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:38:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <366BB176-7AFD-4FDF-A2A5-A2B29A9E6ACB@bellsouth.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bulent Aliev Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Difficult cold start Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:38:34 -0400 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) That crossed my mind, but I crank up the mixture to full rich and hit the primer up-to 6 times. Than have to hit the cold start to get it to rpm and than it is fine. Wander if the compression is low? Buly On Jun 29, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Steve Brooks wrote: > Buly, > Are you rich enough ?? > > When I cold start, I turn the mixture to 3 o'clock, > cold start on, bump the prime twice, and hit the > starter. > > Even after sitting for a month or more, it fires up > after about 2-3 seconds of cranking. > > If I don't have the mixture turned to rich, or the > cold start on though, it won't fire. > > Steve > > --- Bulent Aliev wrote: > >> Steve, I have cut off switches on my pumps and I >> shut the engine by >> shutting the fuel pumps off. The strange thing is >> that once it >> sputters, I have to give it a boost with the cold >> start, or it will >> die again? Maybe I have to install the bypass fuel >> bleed circuit? all >> my injectors are uphill and any fuel leaking, will >> go in the engine. >> Buly >> On Jun 29, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Steve Brooks wrote: >> >>> Buly, >>> >>> I have the opposite problem. When hot,, mine >> start >>> somewhat hard. Especially if it has sat for a >> while >>> and has a good heat soak. I believe that my >> intake >>> gets hot, and is what causes my hard start when >> hot. >>> >>> On your problem, I used to have an issue with cold >>> start, before I added a cutoff switch for the >> primary >>> FI pump. I had trouble leaving pressure on the >> fuel >>> rail, because it seeped through the injectors and >> ran >>> out of the throttle body. Some ran into the >> engine >>> also, which caused it to be flooded. Wet plugs >> are >>> hard to get started. >>> >>> On shut down, I turn off the primary FI pump, and >> let >>> the engine die before cutting off the master >> switch. >>> No more problem with the flooding. Also, if I do >>> flood it (hot start), I shut off the fuel pumps, >> and >>> when the engine fires up, I flip the pump on and >> the >>> engine continues running. >>> >>> >>> FWIW, >>> Steve Brooks >>> >>> >>> If your problem is flooding, I can see why priming >>> doesn't help. >>> >>> --- Bulent Aliev wrote: >>> >>>> Today I did couple of fast taxis with my test >> pilot >>>> that flew the >>>> plane the first time with the turbo and fixed >> pitch >>>> prop. >>>> We had 500 pounds on the front seat and the plane >>>> lifted off the >>>> runway in less then 1500 ft. He said it is a >> great >>>> improvement from V. >>>> 1.0. That's the good part. Last few times I had >>>> trouble starting >>>> cold. If I give it a sniff of the starting fluid >> it >>>> will sputter and >>>> I have to turn on the Cold Start for a second or >> two >>>> to get it going. >>>> Before start I hit the primer 4-6 times, but it >> does >>>> not help. After >>>> it worms up, starts instantly. Anybody with ideas >> to >>>> improve the >>>> situation? Thanks. >>>> Buly >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >> > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ Buly http://tinyurl.com/dcy36