X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1149501 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:11:30 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.148.227.153; envelope-from=wschertz@comcast.net Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060611031047m13001qokve>; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:10:47 +0000 Received: from [24.7.194.200] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:10:46 +0000 From: wschertz@comcast.net To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition Failure Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:10:46 +0000 Message-Id: <061120060310.10497.448B89B5000E15F1000029012205889116969B9D0A080C9C99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: d3NjaGVydHpAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10497_1149995446_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10497_1149995446_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmm, I understood Dale without any problem, let me try to clarify it for you Al, You have a tendency to talk in generalizations (and platitudes), rather than presenting a practical solution for an issue that you feel important. Some of your generalization may be well founded, but offer no insight into 'solving' the problem. Bill Schertz -------------- Original message -------------- From: al p wick What are you saying Dale? -al On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:16:15 -0700 Dale Rogers writes: At the risk of making a "me, too" posting, I'd like to thank Ed for his posting. He wrote almost exactly what I was trying to find a reasonably nice way to say. May I add that, if a person isn't on this list to advance the art of _rotary_ propulsion_, or at least improve their own knowledge therein, then their time would be better spent on whatever they do love. We don't need platitudes about how close to the trees we are flying, or generalities about this risks we are taking. We need practical ideas on how to better implement the systems necessary to keeping our aircraft aloft. As a not-too-humble example of what I'm talking about. When Tracy was bemoaning (okay, that's probably overstating the case) having to make a bump in his cowl to clear the oil filter. I went out to the shop and designed a whole new filter mount that put the filter out of the way, without the need to add extra plumbing for a remote filter. (Unfortunately, my first iteration wasn't a "universal" solution, so my adapter block has been a much better seller.) Platitudes don't solve problems - it takes practical ideas. Dale R. COZY MkIV #1254 Ed Anderson wrote: ... However, these postings have sometimes been taken out of context, misunderstood or misconstrued by others in ways not always accurate and sometimes in a clear attempt to put down either the individual, the motor, the technique, etc, - which is not always pleasing. But, I won't let that deter me for posting, I feel I have done my part by raising the issue for others to consider. Sometimes, I find out from others that my incident may have a possible cause I had not considered. Clearly, if a list is not encouraging individuals to post their incidents - no matter how embarrassing it may be (I have a quite a few in that category) - or otherwise not keeping the discussion professional and in a "problem solving" mode, then fewer individuals will post - to the detriment of us all. ... I don't think taking issue with a posting - if it contains inaccuracies, or appears out of context, or is intentionally misconstrued is necessarily defensive - just a matter of setting the record straight so that others will have a clear and accurate picture of what happened. Also, lets face it, e mails are certainly lacking as a communication medium, just too many way to read something - drawing incorrect inferences that were unintended. In any case, lets all agree to keep posting our incidents - it may save someone's bacon. Best Regards Ed -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ -al wick Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5 N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info: http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10497_1149995446_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hmm,
I understood Dale without any problem, let me try to clarify it for you Al,
 
You have a tendency to talk in generalizations (and platitudes), rather than presenting a practical solution for an issue that you feel important.
 
Some of your generalization may be well founded, but offer no insight into 'solving' the problem.
 
Bill Schertz
-------------- Original message --------------
From: al p wick <alwick@juno.com>
What are you saying Dale?
 
-al
 
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:16:15 -0700 Dale Rogers <dale.r@cox.net> writes:
At the risk of making a "me, too" posting, I'd like to thank Ed for his
posting.  He wrote almost exactly what I was trying to find a reasonably
nice way to say.

May I add that, if a person isn't on this list to advance the art of _rotary_
propulsion_, or at least improve their own knowledge therein, then their
time would be better spent on whatever they do love.  We don't need
platitudes about how close to the trees we are flying, or generalities
about this risks we are taking.  We need practical ideas on how to
better implement the systems necessary to keeping our aircraft aloft. 

As a not-too-humble example of what I'm talking about.  When Tracy
was bemoaning (okay, that's probably overstating the case) having to
make a bump in his cowl to clear the oil filter.  I went out to the shop
and designed a whole new filter mount that put the filter out of the way,
without the need to add extra plumbing for a remote filter. 
(Unfortunately, my first iteration wasn't a "universal" solution, so my
adapter block has been a much better seller.) 

Platitudes don't solve problems - it takes practical ideas.

Dale R.
COZY MkIV #1254


Ed Anderson wrote: 
...
However, these postings have sometimes been taken out of context, misunderstood or misconstrued by others in ways not always accurate and sometimes in a clear attempt to put down either the individual, the motor, the technique, etc,  - which is not always pleasing.   But, I won't  let that deter me for posting, I feel I have done my part by raising the issue for others to consider.  Sometimes, I find out from others  that my incident may have a possible cause I had not considered.

Clearly, if a list is not encouraging individuals to post their incidents - no matter how embarrassing it may be (I have a quite a few in that category) - or otherwise not keeping the discussion professional and in a "problem solving" mode, then fewer individuals will post - to the detriment of us all.  

...

I don't think taking issue with a posting - if it contains inaccuracies, or appears out of context, or is intentionally misconstrued is necessarily defensive - just a matter of setting the record straight so that others will have a clear and accurate picture of what happened.  Also, lets face it, e mails are certainly lacking as a communication medium, just too many way to read something - drawing incorrect inferences that were unintended.

In any case, lets all agree to keep posting our incidents - it may save someone's bacon.

Best Regards

Ed

  

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-al wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon
Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info:
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html
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