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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:19:46 -0700
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What are you saying Dale?

-al

On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:16:15 -0700 Dale Rogers <dale.r@cox.net> writes:
At the risk of making a "me, too" posting, I'd like to thank Ed for his 
posting.  He wrote almost exactly what I was trying to find a reasonably 
nice way to say.

May I add that, if a person isn't on this list to advance the art of
_rotary_ 
propulsion_, or at least improve their own knowledge therein, then their 
time would be better spent on whatever they do love.  We don't need 
platitudes about how close to the trees we are flying, or generalities 
about this risks we are taking.  We need practical ideas on how to 
better implement the systems necessary to keeping our aircraft aloft.  

As a not-too-humble example of what I'm talking about.  When Tracy 
was bemoaning (okay, that's probably overstating the case) having to 
make a bump in his cowl to clear the oil filter.  I went out to the shop 
and designed a whole new filter mount that put the filter out of the way,

without the need to add extra plumbing for a remote filter.  
(Unfortunately, my first iteration wasn't a "universal" solution, so my 
adapter block has been a much better seller.)  

Platitudes don't solve problems - it takes practical ideas.

Dale R.
COZY MkIV #1254 


Ed Anderson wrote: 
...
However, these postings have sometimes been taken out of context,
misunderstood or misconstrued by others in ways not always accurate and
sometimes in a clear attempt to put down either the individual, the
motor, the technique, etc,  - which is not always pleasing.   But, I
won't  let that deter me for posting, I feel I have done my part by
raising the issue for others to consider.  Sometimes, I find out from
others  that my incident may have a possible cause I had not considered.

Clearly, if a list is not encouraging individuals to post their incidents
- no matter how embarrassing it may be (I have a quite a few in that
category) - or otherwise not keeping the discussion professional and in a
"problem solving" mode, then fewer individuals will post - to the
detriment of us all.  

...

I don't think taking issue with a posting - if it contains inaccuracies,
or appears out of context, or is intentionally misconstrued is
necessarily defensive - just a matter of setting the record straight so
that others will have a clear and accurate picture of what happened. 
Also, lets face it, e mails are certainly lacking as a communication
medium, just too many way to read something - drawing incorrect
inferences that were unintended.

In any case, lets all agree to keep posting our incidents - it may save
someone's bacon.

Best Regards

Ed

  
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-al wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon
Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info:
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html
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<DIV>What are you saying Dale?</DIV>
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<DIV>-al</DIV>
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<DIV>On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:16:15 -0700 Dale Rogers &lt;<A=20
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  #1254 <BR><BR><BR>Ed Anderson wrote: </DIV>
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>...
However, these postings have sometimes been taken out of context, =
misunderstood or misconstrued by others in ways not always accurate and =
sometimes in a clear attempt to put down either the individual, the motor, =
the technique, etc,  - which is not always pleasing.   But, I won't  let =
that deter me for posting, I feel I have done my part by raising the issue =
for others to consider.  Sometimes, I find out from others  that my =
incident may have a possible cause I had not considered.

Clearly, if a list is not encouraging individuals to post their incidents -=
 no matter how embarrassing it may be (I have a quite a few in that =
category) - or otherwise not keeping the discussion professional and in a "=
problem solving" mode, then fewer individuals will post - to the detriment =
of us all. =20

...

I don't think taking issue with a posting - if it contains inaccuracies, or=
 appears out of context, or is intentionally misconstrued is necessarily =
defensive - just a matter of setting the record straight so that others =
will have a clear and accurate picture of what happened.  Also, lets face =
it, e mails are certainly lacking as a communication medium, just too many =
way to read something - drawing incorrect inferences that were unintended.

In any case, lets all agree to keep posting our incidents - it may save =
someone's bacon.

Best Regards

Ed

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