X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao07.cox.net ([68.230.241.32] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1089167 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:34:08 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.32; envelope-from=steve@stevet.net Received: from [192.168.2.203] (really [68.6.58.190]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060502213325.OBST27327.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.2.203]> for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 17:33:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steve Thomas Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] FWD: Alternator Voltage Spikes Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:33:25 -0700 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Marc, You should post this on the aeroelectric list. I'll bet it will generate a LOT of discussion. Best Regards, Steve Thomas SteveT.Net ________________________________________________________________________ On May 2, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Marc Wiese wrote: > Subject: Alternator Voltage Spikes > I have been noticing all the comments about voltage spikes during > starting/shutdown. One poster mentioned that a battery couldn't put > out 200 > volts, so I thought I would toss my 2 cents in. I worked for > several years > as an IC design manager at Texas Instruments in the automotive > group where > we designed ICs for automotive regulators. I will assure you that > charging > systems for cars (and airplanes) do indeed put out spikes well over > 200 > volts when the alternator is rotating very slowly. This voltage can > easily > cause oxide failure, known as 'punch-through', which shorts VCC and > Ground > inside the IC. Once that happens, heavy current flows through the > IC causing > the smoke stored in the IC to escape. ICs don't work once you let > the smoke > out! :-) To understand how a 12 volt battery/alternator can put out > a high > voltage, you have to understand that in an inductor (i.e. the > windings of > the alternator), the voltage across the inductor is equal to L*di/ > dt, or the > Inductance of the winding times the rate of change of the current > through > the inductor. If you attempt to instantly stop or start the current > through > an inductor, di/dt will become very large, and the voltage will > increase to > whatever level necessary to collapse or create the magnetic field > around the > inductor. When an alternator is turned very slowly, there are > points where > the windings are open circuited (or routed through high resistance > paths) > which causes voltages to rise to the level that breaks down the > primary > protection - around 200 volts. In an automobile, there is a highly > reliable > circuit that disconnects the radio bus from the charging bus during > start > and shut-down to protect equipment from these spikes. This is what > Cessna > attempted to do with some aircraft, but the circuit they used is > somewhat > crude and potentially unreliable, so people disconnected its output > that was > supposed to control the avionics power relay, and rewired this > relay to be > controlled by a simple switch on the panel. > Marc Wiese > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >