X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.250.88] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1088466 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 02 May 2006 08:55:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.250.88; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 May 2006 05:51:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 4.171.129.108 by BAY115-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 02 May 2006 12:51:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.171.129.108] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Was Oil Pressure and Now... Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 08:51:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01C66DC5.967961C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 2 May 2006 08:51:22 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2006 12:51:30.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[22392080:01C66DE7] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C66DC5.967961C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageWe all live in fear of the FAA medical-Nazis Joe : ) Laura's = fear that I might have had a heart attack instead of hypoxia (long = story) cost me a session on the operating table while they scoped out my = arteries. Doc said they were "Clean as a whistle" Wheww! BTW, don't forget to check out the gear drive bearings during your = investigation. The rear main prop shaft bearing is a pressure fed = bronze bearing and if it were galling it could account for the "gold = strike" in the oil pan. First check should be to insure that there is = an oil passage hole through the bearing at the oil feed point on the = drive. There is one instance (Al G.'s) of a bearing that was missing = the oil passage hole. A spun bearing could account for no visible hole = but this is very unlikely since the bearing is quadruple pinned and = would probably seize long before it spun.=20 Tracy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Hull=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Was Oil Pressure and Now... Thanx Rusty - I was gone for the weekend and away from email. =20 As you said, I won't feel good about it until I know for sure what's = going on. When I got back in town my wife graciously let me kiss her = and then leave again for the airport to work on my engine. I started at = about 5PM and at 7:30PM had it off the plane and in the back of my = truck. Amazing. It took months to get it all situated in the plane with = all the hoses and wires and in a matter of a couple of hours it all = comes undone! =20 I'm going to go see Atkins tomorrow and watch while they dissect the = engine. But, I also have another rotary I bought at a local junkyard a = year or two ago and I'm slowly working on rebuilding that too. So, I'll = get my rebuild education at some point. But for this one, since I paid = some substantial cash for that engine, I'd like to at least get 100hrs = out of it! =20 Besides - I lost my medical temporarily. If any of you have gone to a = "sleep doctor" - you might want to conveniently forget that fact when = you go to get your FAA medical renewed. I made the mistake of noting = that and when asked about the outcome I said "mild sleep apnea". Wrong = thing to say. Apparently the FAA doesn't know the difference between = mild sleep apnea and narcolepsy. I spent all day today in a = "Maintenance of Wakefulness Test". Essentially I sat in a dark room all = day and tried to stay awake. I was successful so next week I can get a = letter from the doctor and get it to the FAA and hopefully in 60 days or = less I'll get my medical back L =20 Thanx, Joe Hull Cozy Mk-IV #991 (In Phase1 Flight Test - 10.9 hrs flown)=20 Redmond (Seattle), Washington =20 =20 I dropped the pan today and there were a bunch of gold flakes in the = pan. Not a huge amount overall but if I sloshed things into a corner it = looked significant. So, pondering my next step.=20 =20 Hi Joe, =20 Did you drain the oil before dropping the pan? I'm assuming the = answer is yes. If so, then draining the oil didn't get the flakes out. = If that's the case, then they could have been in there since day one, = and you have no way of knowing. =20 =20 Did you get a chance to check the relief valve? If you pulled the = pan, and didn't unscrew that valve, your restraint is far greater than = mine :-)=20 =20 As for what to do about the engine, it almost sounds like you're = looking for an excuse to go through the engine to make sure all is well. = If that's the case, and that's what will make you comfortable, then = that's what you need to do. End of dilemma. See how easy that was :-) =20 I would further suggest that you do it yourself, with a copy of = Bruce's video, rather than letting Atkins do it. It's not hard to do, = and you'll be way more careful with it. You can also use the = opportunity to install the Bruce/RWS seals. If you want a professional = to go though it, then I'd recommend sending it to Bruce Turrentine. =20 =20 Cheers, Rusty (26) =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C66DC5.967961C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message=
We all live in fear of the FAA medical-Nazis Joe : )  Laura's = fear=20 that I might have had a heart attack instead of hypoxia (long story) = cost me a=20 session on the operating table while they scoped out my = arteries.  Doc=20 said they were "Clean as a whistle"   Wheww!
 
BTW, don't forget to check out the gear drive bearings during your=20 investigation.  The rear main prop shaft bearing is a pressure fed = bronze=20 bearing and if it were galling it could account for the "gold strike" in = the oil=20 pan.  First check should be to insure that there is an oil passage = hole=20 through the bearing at the oil feed point on the drive.  There is = one=20 instance (Al G.'s) of a bearing that was missing the oil passage=20 hole.   A spun bearing could account for no visible hole = but this=20 is very unlikely since the bearing is quadruple pinned and would = probably seize=20 long before it spun. 
 
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe=20 Hull
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 = 10:44 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Was = Oil Pressure=20 and Now...

Thanx Rusty = =96 I was=20 gone for the weekend and away from email.

 

As you = said, I won=92t=20 feel good about it until I know for sure what=92s going on.  When = I got=20 back in town my wife graciously let me kiss her and then leave again = for the=20 airport to work on my engine. I started at about 5PM and at 7:30PM had = it off=20 the plane and in the back of my truck. Amazing.  It took months = to get it=20 all situated in the plane with all the hoses and wires and in a matter = of a=20 couple of hours it all comes undone!

 

I=92m going = to go see=20 Atkins tomorrow and watch while they dissect the engine.  But, I = also=20 have another rotary I bought at a local junkyard a year or two ago and = I=92m=20 slowly working on rebuilding that too. So, I=92ll get my rebuild = education at=20 some point. But for this one, since I paid some substantial cash for = that=20 engine, I=92d like to at least get 100hrs out of=20 it!

 

Besides =96 = I lost my=20 medical temporarily.  If any of you have gone to a =93sleep = doctor=94 =96 you=20 might want to conveniently forget that fact when you go to get your = FAA=20 medical renewed. I made the mistake of noting that and when asked = about the=20 outcome I said =93mild sleep apnea=94. Wrong thing to say.  = Apparently the=20 FAA doesn=92t know the difference between mild sleep apnea and = narcolepsy. =20 I spent all day today in a =93Maintenance of Wakefulness = Test=94. =20 Essentially I sat in a dark room all day and tried to stay awake. I = was=20 successful so next week I can get a letter from the doctor and get it = to the=20 FAA and hopefully in 60 days or less I=92ll get my medical back=20 L

 

Thanx,

Joe = Hull

Cozy Mk-IV #991 (In Phase1 = Flight Test=20 =96 10.9 hrs flown)

Redmond (Seattle), Washington

 

 

I dropped = the pan=20 today and there were a bunch of gold flakes in the pan. Not a huge = amount=20 overall but if I sloshed things into a corner it looked significant. = So,=20 pondering my next step. 

 

Hi=20 Joe,

 

Did you = drain the oil=20 before dropping the pan?  I'm assuming the answer is yes.  = If so,=20 then draining the oil didn't get the flakes out.  If that's = the=20 case, then they could have been in there since day one, and you have = no way of=20 knowing.  

 

Did you get = a chance=20 to check the relief valve?  If you pulled the pan, and=20 didn't unscrew that valve, your restraint is far greater than = mine=20 :-) 

 

As for what = to do=20 about the engine, it almost sounds like you're looking for an excuse = to go=20 through the engine to make sure all is well. If that's the case, and = that's=20 what will make you comfortable, then that's what you need to do.  = End of=20 dilemma.  See how easy that was :-)

 

I would = further=20 suggest that you do it yourself, with a copy of Bruce's video, rather = than=20 letting Atkins do it. It's not hard to do, and you'll be way more = careful with=20 it.  You can also use the opportunity to install the = Bruce/RWS=20 seals.  If you want a professional to go though it, then I'd = recommend sending it to Bruce Turrentine.   =20

 

Cheers,

Rusty=20 (26)

 

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