X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1085455 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:45:29 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.148.227.151; envelope-from=rlwhite@comcast.net Received: from Quail (c-68-35-160-229.hsd1.nm.comcast.net[68.35.160.229]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060429134444m11005btkpe>; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:44:44 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 07:45:40 -0600 From: Bob White To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine Run and Static RPM Report Message-Id: <20060429074540.8fe06100.rlwhite@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.4 (GTK+ 2.8.3; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:23:21 -0500 Charlie England wrote: > Bob White wrote: > > >Hi Buly, > > > >There's a few things on the list he sent that doesn't sound quite > >right. As long as I can do it without too much of a hassle, I guess I > >will. The actual wording is "a ground run to max power in a nose high > >attitude approaching an in flight stall". That sounds like an > >invitation to do an inadvertent take-off if I ever heard one. When I > >flew with the previous owner, the time from full power application to > >lift off was about 5 seconds. > > > >I think the A&P may be a problem also. I need one because I didn't > >build the airplane. He sounded OK when I first talked to him, but more > >recently he's been talking about checking to make sure the plane was > >built to plans and stuff. I think he's supposed to check the brakes, > >make sure the flaps aren't falling off, etc. I think his implication > >is that the original builder could modify anything he wanted to, but > >that I can't. This view seems to me to go beyond the roll of the A&P > >as I understand it. I may have to find another one that understands > >experimentals. > > > >Bob W. > > > > "The actual wording is "a ground run to max power in a nose high > attitude approaching an in flight stall". " > > Hi Bob, > > That phrase is a fairly common one in documents about prep for 1st flight. It normally means to find a ditch, put the tail in it & tie it down. Then do your full throttle ground run. The idea is to test both the engine & fuel delivery systems with the plane in its max climb attitude without having to discover any limitations in flight. The key words are 'ground run' meaning to do it *on the ground*, not in flight. Remember that almost any homebuilt can achieve a much higher attitude in climbing flight than it can achieve in any takeoff roll. > > Hope that helps.... > Charlie > Hi Charlie, Yes, that helps a lot. I like that interpretation much better than what I was thinking about. It seems like a good test as well. Years ago there were several instances of BD-4's loosing power on take off due to the location of the 'T' connecting the front and rear pickup on the fuel tank. As a result, a lot of people put in header tanks. Some at the insistence of insurance companies. I have made the appropriate mod, and removed the header tank, but it should be tested. Bob W. -- http://www.bob-white.com N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (first engine start 1/7/06) Custom Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/