X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.100] (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1068714 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:54:22 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.100; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-025-165.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.25.165]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3EKrZu4010614 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c66005$c1680300$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil tank Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:55:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C65FE4.39EB1E10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C65FE4.39EB1E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a question, Chris - why modify the Renesis oil Pan? Do you feel = you need additional oil?=20 Yes, from the oil pickup hole in the block. I put a gasket on the = engine side of the plate and then a tube through the plate into the = pickup hole. I made a fitting that used the two oil pickup bolt holes = and with a big drill bit make the underside of the hole through the = fitting a bit convex. I put the fitting over the tube, an "O" ring = around the tube, stick the tube through the hole in the plate and then = tighten the two bolts forcing the "O" ring against the tube and plate = giving me an air tight seal. I use a new "O" ring anytime I loosen the = fitting. I do the same for the tube end entering the sump. If you have = even a slight air leak, the pump won't producing sufficient suction to = lift the oil, so careful going is called for in fabricating this. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: chris mallory=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil tank Thanks Ed, This is all very helpful! I'm looked at leaving the Renesis oil pan = installed. Tapping a hole in the bottom to let oil flow to the sump. = I'll mount the sump at the side of the engine, just below the level of = the oil pan. Then I'll put the pickup from the top, turn in 90 into the = side of the oil pan, using the oil level indicator hole. =20 Did you run one pickup line from the bottom of the engine, through the = plate into the top of the sump, and then seal up the hole where it went = through the plate? How did you set that part up? Thanks, Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil tank Hi Chris, Rotary "hang out" is generally on Row 19 on the flight line with = cowls-off until 1330 then to the rotary engine tent for rest of = afternoon. My "Plugs Up" installation has the oil drain to the bottom side of = the block. The oil pan area is covered with a 3/16" aluminum plate. = Then the oil drains through holes (six I believe) in the bottom of the = plate and through a 2"x1" rectangular tube (running length of plate). = The rectangular tube is used to "stand-off" the "Sump" from the plate so = I can access the pan bolts in that area (otherwise the sump would be = flat up against the plate cover the oil pan holes in that area. The oil = drains through the six holes and into the sump which is a 4x4" = rectangular tube with plates welded on both ends and various fittings = and holes (such as the fill hole and dip still hole). I then extended the oil pickup tube through the side of the plate = and into the top of the 4x4 sump. The pickup actually goes through a = removal plate on the top of the sump, so I have access to the screen on = the bottom of the pickup tube. The tube is sealed with rubber O rings = where it goes through the plate and sump to ensure an air tight seal - = you do not want any air leaks. The system holds 4.3 quarts of oil (you could have more by making = the sump larger - but after 325 hours, my conclusion is you don't need = more - after all this is not an aircraft engine {:>)). Here are a couple of photos that make made this clearer. The long = blue tube is the oil filler, you can see the oil pickup arching out of = the plate and into the top of the sump. Hope this helps Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: chris mallory=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Oil tank My current problem: I don't want to take up the space below the = engine with the larger 13b oil pan. I was thinking of doing something = like Ed has. I can use the renesis pan as a collector or make a blank = out of alluminum, pipe the oil to a tank sitting on the side of the = engine, then plumb it back into the pump. =20 Ed, how does your system get the oil to the tank? How big is the = tank? How did you connect back to the pick-up? As always, any comments and constructive criticism are welcome. Chris P.S. Sorry I missed everyone at Sun and Fun. Was there a rotary = hangout that I missed? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C65FE4.39EB1E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a question, Chris - why modify the Renesis = oil=20 Pan?  Do you feel you need additional oil?
 
Yes, from the oil pickup hole in the = block.  I put a=20 gasket on the engine side of the plate and then a tube through the plate = into=20 the pickup hole.  I made a fitting that used the two oil pickup = bolt holes=20 and with a big drill bit make the underside of the hole through the = fitting a=20 bit convex.  I put the fitting over the tube,  an "O" ring = around the=20 tube, stick the tube through the hole in the plate and then tighten the = two=20 bolts forcing the "O" ring against the tube and plate giving me an air = tight=20 seal.  I use a new "O" ring anytime I loosen the fitting.  I = do the=20 same for the tube end entering the sump.  If you have even a slight = air=20 leak, the pump won't producing sufficient suction to lift the oil, so = careful=20 going is called for in fabricating this.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 chris=20 mallory
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 = 4:03=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil = tank

Thanks Ed,
 
This is all very helpful!  I'm = looked at=20 leaving the Renesis oil pan installed.  Tapping a hole in the = bottom to=20 let oil flow to the sump.  I'll mount the sump at the side = of the=20 engine, just below the level of the oil pan.  Then I'll put the=20 pickup from the top, turn in 90 into the side of the oil pan, = using the=20 oil level indicator hole. 
Did you run one pickup line from the = bottom of=20 the engine, through the plate into the top of the sump, and then seal = up the=20 hole where it went through the plate?  How did you set that part=20 up?
 
Thanks,
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 = 10:58=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil = tank

Hi Chris,
 
Rotary "hang out" is generally on Row 19 on = the flight=20 line with cowls-off until 1330 then to the rotary engine tent for = rest of=20 afternoon.
 
My "Plugs Up" installation has the oil drain = to the=20 bottom side of the block.  The oil pan area is covered with a = 3/16"=20 aluminum plate.  Then the oil drains through holes (six I = believe) in=20 the bottom of the plate and through  a 2"x1" rectangular tube = (running=20 length of plate).  The rectangular tube is used to "stand-off" = the=20 "Sump" from the plate so I can access the pan bolts in that = area=20 (otherwise the sump would be flat up against the plate cover the oil = pan=20 holes in that area.  The oil drains through the six holes and = into the=20 sump which is a 4x4" rectangular tube with plates welded on both = ends and=20 various fittings and holes (such as the fill hole and dip still=20 hole).
 
I then extended the oil pickup tube through = the side=20 of the plate and into the top of the 4x4 sump.  The pickup = actually=20 goes through a removal plate on the top of the sump, so I have = access to the=20 screen on the bottom of the pickup tube.  The tube is sealed = with=20 rubber O rings where it goes through the plate and sump to ensure an = air=20 tight seal - you do not want any air leaks.
 
The system holds 4.3 quarts of oil (you = could have=20 more by making the sump larger - but after 325 hours, my conclusion = is you=20 don't need more - after all this is not an aircraft engine=20 {:>)).
 
Here are a couple of photos that make made = this=20 clearer.  The long blue tube is the oil filler, you can see the = oil=20 pickup arching out of the plate and into the top of the = sump.
 
Hope this helps
 
Ed
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 chris=20 mallory
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, April 14, = 2006 9:48=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Oil = tank

My current problem:  I don't = want to=20 take up the space below the engine with the larger 13b oil = pan.  I=20 was thinking of doing something like Ed has.  I can use the = renesis=20 pan as a collector or make a blank out of alluminum, pipe the oil = to a=20 tank sitting on the side of the engine, then plumb it back into = the=20 pump. 
 
Ed, how does your system get the = oil to the=20 tank?  How big is the tank?  How did you connect back to = the=20 pick-up?
 
As always, any comments and = constructive=20 criticism are welcome.
 
Chris
 
P.S.  Sorry I missed = everyone at Sun and=20 Fun.  Was there a rotary hangout that I=20 missed?

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