X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.250.89] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1065182 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:05:15 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.250.89; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:04:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 4.171.174.87 by BAY115-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:04:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.171.174.87] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: FI mystery Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:04:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C65D46.ED1BBDF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:04:23 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2006 13:04:30.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[78963650:01C65D68] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C65D46.ED1BBDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Al, I'm back from Sn'F but still in recovery mode. Great fly-in, = lots of talking about engines & airplanes, found brakes for my Kolb = Twinstar, wonderful flight to & from Lakeland. The Renesis humming = under the cowl had me wishing it was farther away. =20 From your description it sounds like the primary injectors (your = secondaries are on the primary drivers as I recall) are not coming on = line (no power?) Remember that all running on cold start is with all = injectors running even below staging manifold pressure. The secondaries = are probably the only ones running since engine dies immediately when = cold start is switched off. Could also be a staging relay problem, no power being switched on to = secondaries (opposite problem of what I described above). Have you = kept engine running long enough to get warmed up? Does engine still die = then? Try turning mixture full rich when switching off cold start. =20 Or, maybe the injector disable switch wiring has a problem (if you = installed this feature). BTW, do you have latest 20B EC2 updates? Lots of good changes in them. Tracy (out of ideas for now) Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FI mystery Since we are looking for something obscure here I would check the = voltage to the fuel injectors. Low voltage would make for a lean = mixture. Other items are: 2. vacuum line disconnected 3. air leak 4. fuel pressure Haven't checked the voltage to the injectors yet; so I can do that. Checked - No vacuum line leaks; no lines out of place. Leak in MAP = line would give a higher MAP reading and too rich a mixture. Checked - No air leaks - would take a major leak downstream from the = injectors to give these symptoms. Fuel pressure is normal. Did you try both controllers?=20 Tried both controllers - same behavior. Looked at the mixture = correction table on the EM-2; things look normal. The mixture "map" = would have to be WAY off to require 'cold start' switch on. The only thing I noted as abnormal was that the EGT on rotor one was = not stable; seemed to be 'hunting' around the values of the other two. = Since the engine was running smooth and steady, I attributed this to = something related to the TC, like poor connection, TC going bad, etc. I = can find no connection between this and a way to lean mixture w/o cold = start switch on. Al (still baffled) ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C65D46.ED1BBDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Al, I'm back from Sn'F but still in recovery mode.  = Great=20 fly-in, lots of talking about engines & airplanes, found brakes for = my Kolb=20 Twinstar, wonderful flight to & from Lakeland.  The Renesis = humming=20 under the cowl had me wishing it was farther away.  =
 
From your description it sounds like the primary injectors = (your=20 secondaries are on the primary drivers as I = recall)   are=20 not coming on line (no power?)    Remember = that all=20 running on cold start is with all injectors running even below staging = manifold=20 pressure.  The secondaries are probably the only ones running since = engine=20 dies immediately when cold start is switched off.
 
Could also be a staging relay problem, no power being = switched on=20 to secondaries (opposite problem of what I described above).   = Have=20 you kept engine running long enough to get warmed up?  Does engine = still=20 die then?  Try turning mixture full rich when switching off cold=20 start. 
 
Or, maybe the injector disable switch wiring has a problem = (if you=20 installed this feature).
 
BTW, do you have latest 20B EC2 updates?  Lots of good = changes=20 in them.
 
Tracy  (out of ideas for now)
 
 
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FI mystery

 

Since we are looking for = something=20 obscure here I would check the voltage to the fuel injectors.  = Low=20 voltage would make for a lean mixture.  Other items=20 are:

2.  vacuum line=20 disconnected

3.  air = leak

4.  fuel=20 pressure

 

Haven=92t = checked the=20 voltage to the injectors yet; so I can do that.

 

Checked - = No vacuum=20 line leaks; no lines out of place. Leak in MAP line would give a = higher MAP=20 reading and too rich a mixture.

 

Checked - = No air=20 leaks =96 would take a major leak=20 downstream from the injectors to give these = symptoms.

 

Fuel = pressure is=20 normal.

 

Did you = try both=20 controllers? 

 

Tried both=20 controllers =96 same behavior.  Looked at the mixture correction = table on=20 the EM-2; things look normal.  The mixture =93map=94 would have = to be WAY off=20 to require =91cold start=92 switch on.

 

The only = thing I=20 noted as abnormal was that the EGT on rotor one was not stable; seemed = to be=20 =91hunting=92 around the values of the other two.  Since the = engine was=20 running smooth and steady, I attributed this to something related to = the TC,=20 like poor connection, TC going bad, etc.  I can find no = connection=20 between this and a way to lean mixture w/o cold start switch=20 on.

 

Al (still = = baffled)

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