X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([68.142.229.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with SMTP id 1033952 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:10:11 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.229.101; envelope-from=downing.j@sbcglobal.net Received: (qmail 97501 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2006 20:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mom) (downing.j@sbcglobal.net@67.36.61.85 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2006 20:07:34 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c647a3$2aaf2300$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: "John Downing" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: sag solution ?? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:09:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C64779.418CCFC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C64779.418CCFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed; A lot of people here brush their teeth with hydrogen peroxide and = soda, so maybe you are getting close to something that will work on the = ceramic. JohnD ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: sag solution ?? Yes, Paul "experiments" sometimes leaves me puzzled as well. But, no I have not tried iridium plugs. My analysis indicates that = its formation of lead deposit on the ceramic cone leading to "flash = over" as the spark pulse starts to ramp up to discharge levels. The = plugs are not worn. I understand that CD type ignition systems = frequently do well in combating fouling as the pulse rise is so fast as = to reach levels to jump the gap before sufficient potential is leaked = off. But, not inclined to go to that type of system for SAG. Besides, = I have not yet tried the hydrogen peroxide and vinegar yet {:>) Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Gietzen=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: sag solution ?? Jesse, as best I recall, Tracy Crook has always mixed Mystery Oil = with his gasoline. Perhaps that is why he gets such a long run on plugs = rather than just his use of auto gas. Interesting indeed, would sure = beat trying to replace/clean plugs every 20 hours using AvGAs. Ran into SAG on way home from Texas, so going to replace the plugs = this week. I think I'll get some MMO and mix it in the gasoline and see = if it makes any different in the TBR I get on plugs. Ed PL's opinion - FWIW. If Tracy has been adding it he would know. I = don't see that baking it at 500F in a cat food can translates to running = it through a rotary mixed with the gas. =20 Have you tried iridium plugs? Al If you use it in the fuel it breaks down and leaves a lot of crud on = the rotor. Put a tea spoon worth in a small cat food can and bake it in the = oven for one half hour at 500F. Do the same with 2 cycle oil and see the = difference. For sag try the iridium plugs used in the RX8 engine. Paul Lamar ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C64779.418CCFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed;  A lot of people here brush = their teeth=20 with hydrogen peroxide and soda, so maybe you are getting close to = something=20 that will work on the ceramic.  JohnD
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From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 = 11:24=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: sag = solution=20 ??

Yes, Paul "experiments" sometimes leaves me = puzzled as=20 well.
 
  But, no I have not tried iridium = plugs.  My=20 analysis indicates that its formation of lead deposit on the = ceramic =20 cone leading to "flash over" as the spark pulse starts to ramp up to = discharge=20 levels.  The plugs are not worn.    I understand that = CD type=20 ignition systems frequently do well in combating fouling as the pulse = rise is=20 so fast as to reach levels to jump the gap before sufficient potential = is=20 leaked off.  But, not inclined to go to that type of system for=20 SAG.  Besides, I have not yet tried the hydrogen peroxide and = vinegar yet=20 {:>)
 
Ed
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Gietzen=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 = 10:19=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: sag = solution=20 ??

Jesse, as best I = recall,=20 Tracy=20 Crook has=20 always mixed Mystery Oil with his gasoline.  Perhaps that is = why he=20 gets such a long run on plugs rather than just his use of auto = gas. =20 Interesting indeed, would sure beat trying to replace/clean plugs = every 20=20 hours using AvGAs.

 

Ran into SAG on way = home from=20 Texas, so going to replace the plugs this = week. =20 I think I'll get some MMO and mix it in the gasoline and see if it = makes any=20 different in the TBR I get on plugs.

 

Ed

 

PL=92s = opinion =96=20 FWIW.  If Tracy has = been adding=20 it he would know.  I don=92t see that baking it at 500F in a = cat food can=20 translates to running it through a rotary mixed with the = gas.  =20

Have = you tried=20 iridium plugs?     Al

 

If you use it in the = fuel it=20 breaks down and leaves a lot of crud on the rotor.

 

Put a tea spoon worth = in a=20 small cat food can and bake it in the oven for one half hour at = 500F. Do the=20 same with 2 cycle oil and see the difference.

 

For sag try the = iridium plugs=20 used in the RX8 engine.

 

Paul = Lamar

 

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