X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 1032737 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:34:41 -0500 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.102.122.149; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2006 17:33:57 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,188,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="84043561:sNHT31249052" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k2DMXvVU005008 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:33:57 -0500 Received: from [64.102.38.229] ([64.102.38.229]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:33:57 -0500 Message-ID: <4415F354.3090801@nc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:33:56 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.4.1 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] heat output References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2006 22:33:57.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[37542520:01C646EE] M Roberts wrote: > Here's an interesting question. Considering the exhaust heat of the > rotary is so much higher than a Lycoming, if doing a side-by-side > comparison of the two with equal fuel burn rates, wouldn't the > Lycoming have more engine heat to remove from under the cowl than the > rotary? > > I think this one is a no-brainer, but my mother often said the same > about me... > > Ernest, > > Not necessarily. > > The conventional wisdom: > > The Wankel has a higher exhaust temp because of uncombusted > hydrocarbons (due to the flat combustion chamber) and possibly a lower > expansion ratio (depending on which engine you may be comparing it > to). So the Lycoming may make more power for the same fuel flow with > less heat rejection. The Wankel also has a lot more surface area for > the combustion chamber and rotors so the heat rejected to the coolant > will be more. You never get something for nothing and giving up all > those valves, push-rods, lifters, ad nauseum, comes with a price. The > price is slightly higher cooling load and egts. > Conventional wisdom has me confused. Is it saying that the piston engine does a better job at converting the fuel to work, and the Rotary wastes a lot of fuel to heat the engine? But haven't we had reports of Rotaries flying formation with Lycs with equivalent airframes and getting effectively the same fuel burn, thus blowing a whole in this whole BSFC argument? Would the answer to my question be that at equal burn rates, the Rotary would spit more heat out the exhaust and have less to reject through other means, but it also wouldn't be producing as much power? -- ,|"|"|, Ernest Christley | ----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta Builder | o| d |o www.ernest.isa-geek.org |