X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao09.cox.net ([68.230.241.30] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 987619 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:21:21 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.30; envelope-from=ALVentures@cox.net Received: from BigAl ([68.7.14.39]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060216182038.UVBX25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@BigAl> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:20:38 -0500 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Bernie wants to bat for the other team... Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:20:47 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c63325$b55fd180$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C632E2.A73C9180" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C632E2.A73C9180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the risk of extending this exchange further beyond where it should = go; let me suggest this. Build all the airframe and engine installation = without asking for participation. Then invite her to participate in the = interior and exterior finish. As a consultant of course, but let her feel like = she is providing the key input on the choices. Spend some time and money = making the plane look 'not homemade'. It is most important that it look professional for them to want to fly in it. =20 My wife was very pleased when a close woman friend commented, "How can a homebuilt plane look so 'not homemade'". =20 Now; having said that. If I have a couple of emergency forced landings = in the first 100 hours or so, I won't expect her (or perhaps anybody) to = want to fly with me. =20 Al =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher) Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:34 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bernie wants to bat for the other team... =20 My wife has an other angle, we have a 60 year old fishing resort that = needs constant updating. We have an "Honey Do" list and every time I get close = to the end of it she adds new items to it. Different strokes for different folks!! Georges B.=20 =20 -------Original Message------- =20 From: Ernest Christley =20 Date: 02/16/06 09:17:28 To: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bernie wants to bat for the other team... =20 David Leonard wrote: =20 > However, I know that if I put a lyc in my plane now she would STILL be > reticent to fly with me. I love aviation, and she does not. Changing > to a lyc is not going to change that for us. =20 David, I get the same song and dance when I ask my wife to help me build this thing. =20 She complains that I don't spend any time with her. She wants me to sit with her in front of a TV as my brains dribble out my ears, instead. So I turn it around and start complaining that she won't spend any time with ME. Then the excuses start. It's too hot. It's noisy. It's smelly. It's boring. Now, it's too cold. She'll occasionally spend maybe 10 minutes with me, but she never complains about me not spending time with her any more. =20 I occasionaly hear builders talking about giving up because of family pressure. It hurts to hear, because 'the project' isn't the issue and giving it up won't change anything. The issue is that the builder is just that...a builder. They will all have to build something or be miserable. I've talked to at least a couple builder's who gave up a project to save a marriage. They eventually got divorced anyway, and one is now flying a Pietenpol he built after splitting up. =20 Then there is the issue that whatever they build, be it airplanes or furniture, won't look store-bought, and a lot of people will turn their nose up at it. (How did America get to this ridiculous state of affairs?) My wife complains that she doesn't like the steel tubes showing in the cockpit. She want's it to look more 'classy'. I ask her for a design drawing. Her response is, "I don't know how. It's your project." If you are so offended by a few structural elements showing through, either lend a hand, offer a solution or don't fly with me. Just don't ask me to perform a miracle before the next reality TV show = airs. =20 My point is that as we build our airplanes and engines, we're also building relationships, and it's compromises, compromises, compromises all the way around. We've got to give some credence to the family voices, but how much is a balancing act. I do watch movies with the family fairly often, but I can't stand more than about 10min of most TV before the revulsion gets too strong; however, I won't change my project design because SHE thinks its 'ugly' or 'unsafe'. I'm already making it as beautiful, comfortable and safe as my skillset, budget and learning ability will allow. That's who I am and what I am, and if that's not good enough then why are we together in the first place. I think Dawn respects that, but I'm probably headed straight for divorce court and don't even know it. =20 "If you loved me, you'd spend more time with me." Practice that and see how it changes their outlook on your project. =20 -- ,|"|"|, Ernest Christley | ----=3D=3D=3D<{{(oQo)}}>=3D=3D=3D---- Dyke Delta Builder | o| d |o www.ernest.isa-geek.org | =20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C632E2.A73C9180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At the risk of extending this = exchange further beyond where it should go; let me suggest this.  Build all = the airframe and engine installation without asking for participation.  = Then invite her to participate in the interior and exterior finish.  As = a consultant of course, but let her feel like she is providing the key = input on the choices.  Spend some time and money making the plane look = ‘not homemade’.  It is most important that it look = professional for them to want to fly in it.

 

My wife was very pleased when a = close woman friend commented, “How can a homebuilt plane look so = ‘not homemade’”.

 

Now; having said that.  If I = have a couple of emergency forced landings in the first 100 hours or so, I = won’t expect her (or perhaps anybody) to want to fly with = me.

 

Al

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)
Sent: Thursday, February = 16, 2006 9:34 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Bernie wants to bat for the other team...

 

My wife has an other angle, we have a 60 year old = fishing resort that needs constant updating. We have an "Honey Do" = list and every time I get close to the end of it she adds new items to it. Different strokes for different folks!!

Georges B. 

 

-------Original = Message-------

 

Date:= 02/16/06 09:17:28

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bernie wants to bat for the other team...

 

David Leonard wrote:

 

> However, I know that if I put a lyc in my = plane now she would STILL be

> reticent to fly with me. I love aviation, and = she does not.  Changing

> to a lyc is not going to change that for = us.

 

David, I get the same song and dance when I ask my = wife to help me build

this thing.

 

She complains that I don't spend any time with her.  She wants me to sit

with her in front of a TV as my brains dribble out = my ears, instead.  So

I turn it around and start complaining that she = won't spend any time

with ME.  Then the excuses start.  It's too hot.  It's = noisy.  It's

smelly.  It's boring.  Now, = it's too cold.  She'll occasionally spend

maybe 10 minutes with me, but she never complains = about me not spending

time with her any more.

 

I occasionaly hear builders talking about giving up because of family

pressure.  It hurts to hear, because 'the project' isn't the issue and

giving it up won't change anything.  The = issue is that the builder is

just that...a builder.  They will all = have to build something or be

miserable.  I've talked to at least a = couple builder's who gave up a

project to save a marriage.  They = eventually got divorced anyway, and

one is now flying a Pietenpol he built after = splitting up.

 

Then there is the issue that whatever they build, = be it airplanes or

furniture, won't look store-bought, and a lot of = people will turn their

nose up at it.  (How did America get to = this ridiculous state of

affairs?) My wife complains that she doesn't like = the steel tubes

showing in the cockpit.  She want's it to = look more 'classy'.  I ask her

for a design drawing.  Her response is, = "I don't know how.  It's your

project."   If you are so offended = by a few structural elements showing

through,  either lend a hand, offer a = solution or don't fly with me.

Just don't ask me to perform a miracle before the = next reality TV show airs.

 

My point is that as we build our airplanes and = engines, we're also

building relationships, and it's compromises, = compromises, compromises

all the way around.  We've got to give = some credence to the family

voices, but how much is a balancing = act.  I do watch movies with the

family fairly often, but I can't stand more than = about 10min of most TV

before the revulsion gets too strong;   however,  I won't change my

project design because SHE thinks its 'ugly' or 'unsafe'.  I'm already

making it as beautiful, comfortable and safe as my skillset, budget and

learning ability will allow.  That's who = I am and what I am, and if

that's not good enough then why are we together in = the first place.   I

think Dawn respects that, but I'm probably headed = straight for divorce

court and don't even know it.

 

"If you loved me, you'd spend more time with me."  Practice that and see

how it changes their outlook on your = project.

 

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