X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.72] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 987145 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:43:39 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.72; envelope-from=bobperk@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm68aec.bellsouth.net ([70.149.150.19]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060216084253.RJEJ3579.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm68aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:42:53 -0500 Received: from HpPavilion310n ([70.149.150.19]) by ibm68aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060216084252.NOS2532.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@HpPavilion310n> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:42:52 -0500 From: "Bob Perkinson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Lyc vs Rotary Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:42:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010B_01C632A2.AE8F3770" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C632A2.AE8F3770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Everything will fail, just a matter of how, and when. My decision to use an engine that is manufactured to work principally in an automobile was based only on personal perception. That perception is automobile engines take a lot of abuse and keep on ticking, they have to because the general public wouldn’t have it any other way. I am not under the illusion that this is going to be easy, cheep, or without risk. In fact if I were installing a Lyc I probably could have it installed in half the time with about the same money, and Insurance wouldn’t be a problem. Flying behind or in front of one of these engines is not for the mechanically challenged. They are not a kick the tires and light the fires operation, although we might like them to be. An intimate knowledge of all the systems is a must. The configuration of these systems will be as different as the individuals that installed them, but they will all have the same goal in mind, to make that system as safe, efficient, and reliable as possible. There is not one person on this list that would intentionally make a bad decision. Decisions are made in our own best interest with the knowledge at hand at the time that it was made. That is where this list and the wiki come into play, THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE, it is just a matter of finding it, and putting it to use. For myself that truth might need to be thrown in my face for me to see it, so if I come up with a far fetched idea and post it to the list don’t call me a DUMB A** just explain to me how and why I am going to hurt myself. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes Wishing this list had a DO NOT ARCHIVE On 2/15/06, al p Wick wrote: Wow. This is so cool! I can ignore all those years of training in failure prevention. Next time there is an incident with my engine of choice, all I need do is come up with some anecdotes about Lycoming. You know, just throw out some little story about a lyc failure and wham! Totally solves my problem. No need to seek facts anymore. Just rely on anecdotes! I know all the experts warn you about making decisions using impressions and feelings. But hey, what do they know? I mean, it just FEELS so good. I'm sure it won't take too much effort and soon I'll forget about that failure last week, and that one last month, and that one two months ago. Oh, yeah, and since no one died, then it's not really a risk. Right? I mean, he made it back to the ground, so it's not engine related. As long as it's not the "engine" then there's no real risk. Yeah! Wow, I think I can rationalize anything. To hell with facts. Yeah, next failure, I'll just remove a part from my plane. Less parts, less failures. Right? Why do I need to test theories for significance any more? No need, just need to use my FEELINGS. Yes sir. -al wick Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5 N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info: http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ Thanks Al good thing YOU are so constructive in you comments. -- Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C632A2.AE8F3770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Everything will fail, = just a=20 matter of how, and when.

My decision to use an = engine that=20 is manufactured to work principally in an automobile was based only on = personal=20 perception.  That = perception is=20 automobile engines take a lot of abuse and keep on ticking, they have to = because=20 the general public wouldn=92t have it any other way.

I am not under the = illusion that=20 this is going to be easy, cheep, or without risk.  In fact if I were installing a = Lyc I=20 probably could have it installed in half the time with about the same = money, and=20 Insurance wouldn=92t be a problem. =20 Flying behind or in front of one of these engines is not for the=20 mechanically challenged.  = They are=20 not a kick the tires and light the fires operation, although we might = like them=20 to be.  An intimate = knowledge of all=20 the systems is a must.  = The=20 configuration of these systems will be as different as the individuals = that=20 installed them, but they will all have the same goal in mind, to make = that=20 system as safe, efficient, and reliable as possible.  There is not one person on = this list=20 that would intentionally make a bad decision.  Decisions are made in our own = best=20 interest with the knowledge at hand at the time that it was made.  That is where this list and = the wiki=20 come into play, THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE, it is just a matter of finding = it, and=20 putting it to use.  For = myself that=20 truth might need to be thrown in my face for me to see it, so if I come = up with=20 a far fetched idea and post it to the list don=92t call me a DUMB A** = just explain=20 to me how and why I am going to hurt myself.

 

 

Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP=20 Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
 
Wishing this list=20 had a DO NOT ARCHIVE

 


On 2/15/06, al p=20 Wick <alwick@juno.com>=20 wrote:=20
Wow.=20 This is so cool!
I can ignore all those years of training in = failure=20 prevention. Next time
there is an incident with my engine of = choice, all=20 I need do is come up
with some anecdotes about Lycoming. You = know, just=20 throw out some little
story about a lyc failure and wham! Totally = solves=20 my problem. No need to
seek facts anymore. Just rely on = anecdotes!
I=20 know all the experts warn you about making decisions using = impressions=20
and feelings. But hey, what do they know? I mean, it just FEELS = so=20 good.
I'm sure it won't take too much effort and soon I'll forget = about=20 that
failure last week, and that one last month, and that one two = months=20 ago.
Oh, yeah, and since no one died, then it's not really a = risk.=20 Right? I
mean, he made it back to the ground, so it's not engine = related.=20 As long
as it's not the "engine" then there's no real risk. Yeah! = Wow, I=20 think I
can rationalize anything. To hell with = facts.

Yeah, next=20 failure, I'll just remove a part from my plane. Less parts,
less=20 failures. Right? Why do I need to test theories for significance=20 any
more? No need, just need to use my FEELINGS. Yes sir. =


-al=20 wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock = Subaru=20 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, = Oregon
Prop=20 construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info: =
htt= p://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html

--Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/ =
Archive=20 and UnSub:   http://mail.lanca= ironline.net/lists/flyrotary/

Thanks=20 Al  good thing YOU are so constructive in you comments.
--
Dave Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://memb= ers.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members= .aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html=20
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