In a message dated 2/14/2006 7:57:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
russell.duffy@gmail.com writes:
Does
this mean we should just pay whatever the cost is for a "real" airplane
engine? Well that depends on your goal. If you want the current
best chance of success, and something that can be serviced at any airport in
the world, then yes it does. If you want something different, and are
willing to bet your life on a good challenge, then by all means, roll your own
engine installation. It's only natural to think you can do better
than the standard, and for engineering types, it's a known disease :-)
There are some really NICE installations ongoing now, and they may very
well beat the odds, but don't think Lycoming is going to feel threatened any
time soon :-)
Better go watch some Olympics, before I get myself in any more trouble
:-)
Rusty (not always popular)
Rusty, and Group,
I understand your comments Rusty, and think you are both right and
wrong. I believe it is easier, for most people, to be successful with a standard
aircraft engine. I DO NOT believe this is because the Lyc, Conti, or whatever is
inherently more reliable. I do believe that the ancillaries are better developed
for "conventional" aircraft engines.
Because we [FlyRotary or ACRE] are rotary enthusiasts we hear about EVERY
rotary problem. If we heard about every Lyc problem caused on a daily basis we
might never fly spam again! I am not trying to offer so anecdote to soothe the
rotary faithful, as all failures are just that, failures. I would remind
everyone that ALL Lyc installs in certified aircraft now come with AIR FILTERS!
I'LL SAY THIS FLAT OUT, IF YOU DON'T RUN A FILTER YOU WILL HAVE A FAILURE!
I don't care if your running a conventional aircraft engine or conversion.
Running unfiltered is simple idiocy.
It should also be said that for Lycoming to be having crankshaft failures,
and a significant number of them to initiate an AD is not only sad but
smacks of reckless disregard. So saying that the aircooled aircraft engine is
super reliable is simply setting yourself up for a fall. If you look at the
statistics most of the engine failures are "certified" engines simply because
there are more of them!
ANY ENGINE properly maintained and not operated outside it's normal limits
will work just fine thank you, provided it is not a deficient design to begin
with. The rotary requires a GOOD water and oil cooling system. If you aren't
willing to work on that, stop now and don't hurt the reputation of the rest of
us and go buy a Lycoming. The rewards for a GOOD installation are many but won't
"just happen." As Tracy said you must go in with the knowledge of the needed
systems or you will fail. If you do slipshod work, Rotary or Lycoming, YOU WILL
FAIL. Someone put the old saying on the site, "How do you eat an elephant?" "One
bite at a time!" This is the proper way of looking at the jobs needed to be
successful. You MUST do all the jobs. (eat every bite) And most importantly you
must do all the jobs well. Safety wire everything even though it's a pain in the
ass. If you can't do all the jobs yourself it's no crime. Get HELP! Buy
the redrive from Tracy. Or buy from Mistral, or buy them from Marcotte. Build
your system up and test it on the ground. If you overheat your system on the
ground don't assume it will be better in the air! (It might be, but also might
not be!) Plan for an adequate sized radiator. That would be a MINIMUM of 2 cubic
inches pre HP, and that only if you have PERFECT ducting. (3 c.i. per HP would
be a safer bet) Don't expect you are the miracle guy that can change physics for
your own project. Rusty has brought up some good points in pointing out
that if you want to fly soonest buy conventional. Bernie, you can probably
rebuild your system from all new parts for less than the cost of two Lyc
cylinders. As an older guy facing family pressures I can understand how you
might not want to though. This is no crime. Your needs are your own, though I
would prefer to see you go back to the rotary and succeed. We all need to go in
with our eyes open. When setting up race cars and motorcycles I would look at
every part from the stand point what will happen if this part breaks? If the
result would be a crash I would redesign the part until I was SURE it wouldn't
break. If you don't think a part is adequate DON'T USE IT! Your responsibility
is to find a part that IS good enough. Don't just hope that everything will be
OK. Work it out. Run your system enough to be sure of it in the
air. I hope everyone takes this in the spirit intended which is to
have us all come home safe.
Bill Jepson