X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.203] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 967244 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:12:48 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.233.184.203; envelope-from=barrygardner@gmail.com Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so766885wra for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 06:12:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=X978a5eOahbQfZeFr9dQzEXG77zaU8+W1FnFYUzLQ4MmYjTqQOdtvoVLO5GNztxxVxOhL4MS9WwfwPX+txuUtDeyTTf0pCyAD/7MRHMusVFsDCjqiZA87vEgGZHAX9mS46Km+oFJO91u1uVXcnCzMJu26xboYHZCA75R34lo0FM= Received: by 10.54.127.3 with SMTP id z3mr3792565wrc; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 06:12:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [68.255.17.187]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 64sm4218061wra.2006.02.04.06.12.01; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 06:12:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <43E4B631.20706@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:12:01 -0600 From: Barry Gardner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mazda mufflers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lynn's comment brings up an interesting idea. Does anyone know where we could get Inconel swarf? Does anyone machine Inconel (which I guess would be difficult)? Could be cheap or free and nearly indestructable muffler packing material. Barry Gardner Wheaton, IL Lehanover@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/4/2006 8:08:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rx7ez@yahoo.com writes: > > I have a "Welders Blanket" cloth which is supposed to handle over > 2300 degF. > I am hoping that I could use that for "glass packing". > > The "almost empty can" demonstrated at Tracy Crooks Rotary Roundup > sounded > good enough for my needs. > > > > > George Graham > Mazda Rx7ez N4449E > Sarasota Florida -SRQ > > The problem with fillers, or packing if you like is twofold. The usual > glass like material used in piston engine mufflers, just melts. If you > catch it quickly, you may get to see the glass balls before they are > machined away and vanish. > > If you try a ceramic blanket material like I did, you discover that > the hammering of the exhaust pulses mechanically decomposes that > material, or any material into fuzz and blows it out. > > The race car muffler has small tubes with thousands of small > perforations. A 4" perforated tube down through the center, with 5 > additional smaller perf tubes inside of that tube. Still under 100 dB > at 50 feet after 7 years of service. It looks like the Burns mufflers > but is very much larger and is about 27 pounds. The Burns mufflers > look like the way to go to me. They offer stainless swarf packings > which might hold up for quite a while. > > Years ago, there were mufflers (very big and heavy) used in Mazda race > cars that had Lava Rock fillings. There was a bung with a screw in > plug so you could refill the lava rock after each race. The Mazda just > turns it into dust with the hammering. > > Lynn E. Hanover