Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #29862
From: Ken Welter <rotary.coot@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] NPG has been used successfully-Ken Welter's Coot
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:06:04 -0800
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Re: [FlyRotary] NPG has been used successfully-Ken Welter'

   Yes I used NPG for several hundred hrs and it seemed to work fine but I switched back to 60 percent Sierra 40 water mix do to the availability and my concerns of the viscosity in the sub zero temps that I fly in, the main concern was possibly over stressing the belts when it was thick and hot spots do to slow fluid flow.
  I first 300 hrs flying used the Sierra blend and then switch to the NPG for about 300 hrs and then switched back and I found that there was no noticeable temperature/cooling differences between the two.
  Yes Rob Golden swears by NPG and he was the one that turned me onto it in my early days of flying when I was having cooling problems but he then also had concerns about the viscosity at high attitudes and cold temps so I them switched back.
  Ken Welter
  




Just one more data point.  Al Wick asked if there was anyone else that had used NPG besides Dave Leonard.

I recall Ken Welter (rotary powered Coot amphib.) used NPG several years ago.  He had no complaints about its cooling ability and he was running an old Ross redrive at 3.17:1 (no, not 2.17) making LOTS of horsepower.  He said (IIRC) the only reason he went back to EG & water was that if you ended up doing some field repair work on your bird you can not just throw in some water in the mix to make it home.  NPG is supposed to be run at 100% with as much water removed as possible before pouring it in.  (Note: I understand this is not the case with NPG+)

The real problem with NPG in our rotary powered birds is you can't walk into any auto parts / wal-mart / seven-11 to get an extra gallon of the stuff to get you home.  You can find EG or just water anywhere.

One more data point while I'm here.  Rob Golden of Pineapple racing in Portland Oregon swears by the stuff.  Rob has been rebuilding and racing rotaries very successfully for over 30 years.  I have not talked to him in over a year but he used to send every engine out with only NPG and I believe he required it for the warranty.  Now of course he sells the stuff so there is that bias on the fly in the ointment.

Neither of these above points addresses the super cooling issue that in theory seems to be able to turn NPG in the radiator to jelly.  Once again we are left to do a thorough test.  Those of us like Dave who like the idea of flying into high cold places like Mammoth Lakes to go skiing (sorry Dave..boarding)  P-)
may need to plan on a winterization kit like they use in the great white north, i.e. duc-tape over the cowl inlets.

Okay, I've rambled on enough.  Talk amongst yourselves....

Mike
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2

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