X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail27.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.133.168] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTPS id 934756 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:30:10 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.133.168; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-237-232-68.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.237.232.68]) by mail27.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k0KLTFro005982 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:29:18 +1100 Message-ID: <002b01c61e08$947ed6f0$44e8eddc@george> From: "george lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:29:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C61E5C.65643B90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C61E5C.65643B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, The local mechanics use a small sand blaster. George ( down under) Point taken, Jeff. Perhaps dissolved is not the correct technical = term for the chemical action - but, mainly only need something that will = cause the lead to leave the ceramic cone and go into a from I can remove = from the plug. Melting, gasifying, dissolving, blasting, pressure = washing, etc, would probably all work to some degree under certain = conditions.=20 Humm, pressure washing???? Just popped into my head - I wonder?? Naturally, I would like a simply, straight forward, non-hazardous, = inexpensive and effective method - oh, yes, and one that does not = involved a lot of work {:>) Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeffery J. Andre'=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Forgive me for de-lurking, but since lead is an elemental metal, = "dissolving" lead isn't really possible. You can melt it, or gasify it, = (in other words change it's state) but you there are no chemical bonds = to "dissolve", so anything claiming to be a "lead solvent" is snake oil. = =20 Since it was mechanically applied to the plugs, it seems the only = likely solution to cleaning is mechanically removing it. Back to the shadows, Jeff Andre -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of wrjjrs@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:09 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Ed, I used to be a competitive shooter in years past. I spent ages = keeping things clean. Lead removal has always been difficult. I DO NOT = believe that any of the firearm cleaning products actually dissolves = lead. They are designed to help loosen it's (lead) attachment to the = bore of the firearm. Most true cleaning relies on a mechanical device to = actually remove the lead, usually a wire brush. I had the most trouble = after shooting all lead cast bullet reloads. (cheaper and used mostly = for practice) This caused lead to be deposited directly on the bore and = was very hard to get off.=20 I don't believe anything that would actually dissolve lead could = even be sold to the public due to the toxicity of the solvent. I not a = chemist but, think of gasoline, there have been some lead additives = available and most of them almost wanted you in a hazmat suit to use = them. =20 Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0500 Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Ok, you gun enthusiasts, I have a question. It appears that the = best hope of finding a lead solvent is among the many gun cleaning = products. Hoppe #9 has been mentioned, but when I did some research, I = really got a bit confused. I think there is little distinction made = between a true "solvent" and a cleaner. As best I recall from my = highschool chemistry days, nothing appeared (that I recall) to dissolve = lead - but, that was a while ago. So again, it would appear that if any = body would have something to dissolve lead it would be the gun crowd. For instance, on some of the "Gun" talk lists, I have seen reference = to Hoppe #9 as a "Powder" cleaner and to Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent = as a "lead solvent". Actually I've seen Hoppe referred to for lead = removal as well- but, doesn't claim it dissolves lead. If Hoppe is primarily a "powder" remover then that may explain it = not working as well as we had hoped. I just asked my wife to pick up = some on her trip to support the economy and then found indications on = the web. that what I might really want is Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent = - but that could be just another "cleaner" rather than a true dissolve = of lead. I suspect that most of these products may be cleaners rather than = solvents despite what they are called. Anyone really know?=20 Thanks Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: = 1/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: = 1/18/2006 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C61E5C.65643B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed, The local mechanics use a small = sand=20 blaster.
George ( down under)
Point taken, Jeff.  Perhaps dissolved is = not the=20 correct technical term for the chemical action - but, mainly only need = something that will cause the lead to leave the ceramic cone and go = into a=20 from I can remove from the plug.  Melting, gasifying, dissolving, = blasting, pressure washing, etc, would probably all work to some=20 degree under certain conditions. 
 
 
 Humm, pressure washing???? Just popped = into my=20 head - I wonder??
 
Naturally, I would like a simply, straight = forward,=20 non-hazardous, inexpensive and effective method - oh, yes, and one = that does=20 not involved a lot of work {:>)
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeffery = J.=20 Andre'
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Thursday, January 19, = 2006 5:05=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: = Lead=20 Solvent or Cleaner

Forgive me for de-lurking, but since lead = is an=20 elemental metal, "dissolving" lead isn't really possible.  You = can melt=20 it, or gasify it, (in other words change it's state) but = you there=20 are no chemical bonds to "dissolve", so anything claiming to be = a "lead=20 solvent" is snake oil. 
 
Since it was mechanically applied to the = plugs, it=20 seems the only likely solution to cleaning is mechanically removing=20 it.
 
Back to the shadows,
 
Jeff Andre

From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:09=20 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner

Ed,
 I used to be a competitive shooter in years past. I spent = ages keeping things clean. Lead removal has always been = difficult.=20 I DO NOT believe that any of the firearm cleaning products actually dissolves lead. They are = designed=20 to help loosen it's (lead) attachment to the bore of the = firearm. Most=20 true cleaning relies on a mechanical device to actually remove the = lead,=20 usually a wire brush. I had the most trouble after shooting all lead = cast=20 bullet reloads. (cheaper and used mostly for practice) This caused = lead to=20 be deposited directly on the bore and was very hard to get off. =
 I don't believe anything that would actually dissolve = lead could=20 even be sold to the public due to the toxicity of the solvent. I not a chemist but, think = of=20 gasoline, there have been some lead additives available and most of = them=20 almost wanted you in a hazmat suit to=20 use them.   
Bill Jepson
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Anderson=20 <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu,=20 19 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0500
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Lead Solvent=20 or Cleaner

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: = Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Lead Solvent or Cleaner

Ok, = you gun=20 enthusiasts, I have a question.  It appears that the best hope = of=20 finding a lead solvent is among the many gun cleaning = products.  Hoppe #9 has been mentioned, but = when I did=20 some research, I really got a bit confused.  I think there is = little=20 distinction made between a true "solvent" and a cleaner.   = As best=20 I recall from my highschool = chemistry=20 days, nothing appeared (that I recall) to dissolve lead - but, that = was a=20 while ago.  So again, it would appear that if any body would = have=20 something to dissolve lead it would be the gun crowd.
 
For instance, on some of the "Gun" talk = lists, I have=20 seen reference to Hoppe #9 = as a "Powder"=20 cleaner  and to Shooter's Choice=20 Lead Solvent as a "lead solvent".  Actually I've seen Hoppe = referred to=20 for lead removal as well- but, doesn't claim it dissolves = lead.
 
 If Hoppe is=20 primarily a "powder" remover then that may explain it not working as = well as=20 we had hoped.  I just asked my wife to pick up some on her trip = to=20 support the economy and then found indications on the web. that = what I=20 might really want is Shooter's Choice=20 Lead Solvent - but that could be just another "cleaner" rather than = a true=20 dissolve of lead.
 
I suspect that most of these products may be = cleaners=20 rather than solvents despite what they are called.  Anyone = really=20 know? 
 
 
Thanks
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW = Rotary=20 Powered
Matthews, NC
eander= son@carolina.rr.com

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