X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 934635 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:46:25 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.69; envelope-from=atlasyts@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm63aec.bellsouth.net ([65.8.117.159]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060120184514.FOWP4080.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm63aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:45:14 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (really [65.8.117.159]) by ibm63aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060120184512.QWCN29460.ibm63aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.0.100]> for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:45:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-561746570 Message-Id: From: Bulent Aliev Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Coil & Alt cooling, Buly's input shaft Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:45:36 -0500 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) --Apple-Mail-2-561746570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Tracy, I can't see how can I check that? The transmission is no longer around. I'll consult with a machinist. One idea is to measure distances on the engine and than see if they match the bellhousing? Buly On Jan 20, 2006, at 1:10 PM, Tracy Crook wrote: > Buly, You may be correct about the .027" error causing the problem > and I hope that is true. > But, The key phrase here is "centered as the original transmission > gear box". Is the transmission bolt circle concentric with the > crankshaft? Is the transmission input shaft concentric with the > bolt circle? They might be (I have not checked) but there is no > rule saying they have to be. For example, the RX-7 starter looks > as if the pinion is concentric with the starter pilot and pilot > hole that it mounts in. It is not. > > Tracy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bulent Aliev > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:49 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Coil & Alt cooling, Buly's input shaft > > Tracy, > I picked up the resurfaced assembly today, and the machinist told me > that one end to the other of the gear box contact surface was .027 > off. > I removed the original automatic transmission gear box from the > bellhousing and replaced it with my new mounting plate. So everything > was centered as the original transmission gear box. All the mounting > bolt holes were match drilled. With the extra long shaft, .027 will > give quite difference at both ends of the shaft. > I don't see anything else to check? > Buly > > > > Input shaft > > > > Buly, got your input shaft today and checked it out. The thrust > > bearing rollers & races look a little stressed but the roller cage > > has been completely trashed. I do not think the .005" out of > > flatness on your bellhousing would explain this and the odd wear > > pattern on the plate. The marks and discoloration (heat) on the > > bearing and shaft look as if there is misalignment between the E- > > shaft and the gear drive. When you built the plate & bellhousing > > adapter for the drive, how did you verify concentricity? This is > > much harder to do than verifying the parallelism of the bellhousing > > and plate but is absolutely vital. There is no question that the > > drive would have soon failed if you had continued to run it. Glad > > this showed up before flight. > > > > Tracy (Happy to hear that Dave L. is safe! Good flying. ) > > > > -- > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ > --Apple-Mail-2-561746570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Tracy, I can't see = how can I check that? The transmission is no longer around. I'll consult = with a machinist.
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One idea is to measure distances on the engine and than see = if they match the bellhousing?

Buly

On = Jan 20, 2006, at 1:10 PM, Tracy Crook wrote:

Buly,=A0 You may be correct about the .027" error causing = the problem and I hope that is true.=A0
But,=A0 The key phrase here is "centered as the original = transmission gear box".=A0 Is the transmission bolt circle concentric = with the crankshaft?=A0 Is the transmission input shaft concentric with = the bolt circle?=A0 They might be (I have not checked) but there is no = rule saying=A0they have to be.=A0 For example, the RX-7 starter = as if the pinion is concentric with = the starter pilot and pilot hole that it mounts in.=A0 It is = not.=A0
=A0
Tracy
----- Original Message = -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:49 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Coil & Alt cooling, Buly's input = shaft

Tracy,
I picked up the = resurfaced assembly today, and the machinist told me=A0
that one end to the other of the gear box contact surface = was .027 off.
I removed the original automatic = transmission gear box from the=A0
bellhousing and = replaced it with my new mounting plate. So everything=A0
was centered as the original transmission gear box. All the = mounting=A0
bolt holes were match drilled. With the = extra long shaft, .027=A0 will=A0
give quite = difference at both ends of the shaft.
I don't see = anything else to check?
Buly


> Input shaft
>
> Buly, got your input shaft today and checked it out.=A0 = The thrust=A0
> bearing rollers & races look a = little stressed but the roller cage=A0
> has been = completely trashed.=A0 I do not think the .005" out of=A0
> flatness on your bellhousing would explain this and = the odd wear=A0
> pattern on the plate.=A0 The marks = and discoloration (heat) on the=A0
> bearing and = shaft look as if there is misalignment between the E-
> shaft=A0 and the gear drive.=A0 When you built the = plate & bellhousing=A0
> adapter for = the drive, how did you verify concentricity?=A0 This is=A0
> much harder to do than verifying the parallelism of = the bellhousing=A0
> and plate but is absolutely = vital.=A0 There is no question that the=A0
> drive would have soon failed if you had continued to = run it.=A0=A0 Glad=A0
> this showed = up before flight.
>
> Tracy=A0 = (Happy to hear that Dave L. is safe!=A0 Good flying. )
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