X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 933643 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:14:13 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-025-165.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.25.165]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id k0K1DPfW000554 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:13:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007b01c61d5e$be2ded10$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:13:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C61D34.D5236790" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C61D34.D5236790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Point taken, Jeff. Perhaps dissolved is not the correct technical term = for the chemical action - but, mainly only need something that will = cause the lead to leave the ceramic cone and go into a from I can remove = from the plug. Melting, gasifying, dissolving, blasting, pressure = washing, etc, would probably all work to some degree under certain = conditions.=20 Humm, pressure washing???? Just popped into my head - I wonder?? Naturally, I would like a simply, straight forward, non-hazardous, = inexpensive and effective method - oh, yes, and one that does not = involved a lot of work {:>) Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeffery J. Andre'=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Forgive me for de-lurking, but since lead is an elemental metal, = "dissolving" lead isn't really possible. You can melt it, or gasify it, = (in other words change it's state) but you there are no chemical bonds = to "dissolve", so anything claiming to be a "lead solvent" is snake oil. = =20 Since it was mechanically applied to the plugs, it seems the only = likely solution to cleaning is mechanically removing it. Back to the shadows, Jeff Andre -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of wrjjrs@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:09 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Ed, I used to be a competitive shooter in years past. I spent ages = keeping things clean. Lead removal has always been difficult. I DO NOT = believe that any of the firearm cleaning products actually dissolves = lead. They are designed to help loosen it's (lead) attachment to the = bore of the firearm. Most true cleaning relies on a mechanical device to = actually remove the lead, usually a wire brush. I had the most trouble = after shooting all lead cast bullet reloads. (cheaper and used mostly = for practice) This caused lead to be deposited directly on the bore and = was very hard to get off.=20 I don't believe anything that would actually dissolve lead could even = be sold to the public due to the toxicity of the solvent. I not a = chemist but, think of gasoline, there have been some lead additives = available and most of them almost wanted you in a hazmat suit to use = them. =20 Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0500 Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Ok, you gun enthusiasts, I have a question. It appears that the best = hope of finding a lead solvent is among the many gun cleaning products. = Hoppe #9 has been mentioned, but when I did some research, I really got = a bit confused. I think there is little distinction made between a true = "solvent" and a cleaner. As best I recall from my highschool chemistry = days, nothing appeared (that I recall) to dissolve lead - but, that was = a while ago. So again, it would appear that if any body would have = something to dissolve lead it would be the gun crowd. For instance, on some of the "Gun" talk lists, I have seen reference = to Hoppe #9 as a "Powder" cleaner and to Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent = as a "lead solvent". Actually I've seen Hoppe referred to for lead = removal as well- but, doesn't claim it dissolves lead. If Hoppe is primarily a "powder" remover then that may explain it not = working as well as we had hoped. I just asked my wife to pick up some = on her trip to support the economy and then found indications on the = web. that what I might really want is Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent - = but that could be just another "cleaner" rather than a true dissolve of = lead. I suspect that most of these products may be cleaners rather than = solvents despite what they are called. Anyone really know?=20 Thanks Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: = 1/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: = 1/18/2006 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C61D34.D5236790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Point taken, Jeff.  Perhaps dissolved is = not the=20 correct technical term for the chemical action - but, mainly only need = something=20 that will cause the lead to leave the ceramic cone and go into a from I = can=20 remove from the plug.  Melting, gasifying, dissolving, blasting, = pressure=20 washing, etc, would probably all work to some degree under = certain=20 conditions. 
 
 
 Humm, pressure washing???? Just popped = into my head=20 - I wonder??
 
Naturally, I would like a simply, straight = forward,=20 non-hazardous, inexpensive and effective method - oh, yes, and one that = does not=20 involved a lot of work {:>)
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeffery = J. Andre'=20
Sent: Thursday, January 19, = 2006 5:05=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: = Lead Solvent=20 or Cleaner

Forgive me for de-lurking, but since lead is = an elemental=20 metal, "dissolving" lead isn't really possible.  You can melt it, = or=20 gasify it, (in other words change it's state) but you there = are no=20 chemical bonds to "dissolve", so anything claiming to be a "lead = solvent"=20 is snake oil. 
 
Since it was mechanically applied to the = plugs, it seems=20 the only likely solution to cleaning is mechanically removing=20 it.
 
Back to the shadows,
 
Jeff Andre

From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:09=20 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner

Ed,
 I used to be a competitive shooter in years past. I spent=20 ages keeping things clean. Lead removal has always been = difficult.=20 I DO NOT believe that any of the firearm cleaning products actually dissolves lead. They are = designed=20 to help loosen it's (lead) attachment to the bore of the firearm. = Most=20 true cleaning relies on a mechanical device to actually remove the = lead,=20 usually a wire brush. I had the most trouble after shooting all lead = cast=20 bullet reloads. (cheaper and used mostly for practice) This caused = lead to be=20 deposited directly on the bore and was very hard to get off.
 I don't believe anything that would actually dissolve lead = could=20 even be sold to the public due to the toxicity of the solvent. I not a chemist but, think of = gasoline,=20 there have been some lead additives available and most of them almost = wanted=20 you in a hazmat suit to use = them.=20   
Bill Jepson
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Anderson=20 <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, 19=20 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0500
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: = Lead Solvent=20 or Cleaner

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Lead Solvent or Cleaner

Ok, = you gun=20 enthusiasts, I have a question.  It appears that the best hope of = finding=20 a lead solvent is among the many gun cleaning products.  Hoppe #9 has been mentioned, but = when I did some=20 research, I really got a bit confused.  I think there is little=20 distinction made between a true "solvent" and a cleaner.   = As best I=20 recall from my highschool = chemistry days,=20 nothing appeared (that I recall) to dissolve lead - but, that was a = while=20 ago.  So again, it would appear that if any body would have = something to=20 dissolve lead it would be the gun crowd.
 
For instance, on some of the "Gun" talk lists, = I have=20 seen reference to Hoppe #9 as = a "Powder"=20 cleaner  and to Shooter's = Choice Lead=20 Solvent as a "lead solvent".  Actually I've seen Hoppe referred = to for=20 lead removal as well- but, doesn't claim it dissolves = lead.
 
 If Hoppe is=20 primarily a "powder" remover then that may explain it not working as = well as=20 we had hoped.  I just asked my wife to pick up some on her trip = to=20 support the economy and then found indications on the web. that = what I=20 might really want is Shooter's = Choice Lead=20 Solvent - but that could be just another "cleaner" rather than a true = dissolve=20 of lead.
 
I suspect that most of these products may be = cleaners=20 rather than solvents despite what they are called.  Anyone really = know? 
 
 
Thanks
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A=20 N494BW Rotary = Powered
Matthews,=20 NC
eander= son@carolina.rr.com

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