X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.100] (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 933609 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:53:20 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.100; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-025-165.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.25.165]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0K0qX42017959 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:52:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004101c61d5b$d40366e0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:52:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C61D31.EAB87D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C61D31.EAB87D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe you are right about that, Bill. My fading memory seems to = recall that lead could with stand most acids and caustic interactions. = Anything that would attack it as you say would probably be verboten for = the casual user. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wrjjrs@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Ed, I used to be a competitive shooter in years past. I spent ages = keeping things clean. Lead removal has always been difficult. I DO NOT = believe that any of the firearm cleaning products actually dissolves = lead. They are designed to help loosen it's (lead) attachment to the = bore of the firearm. Most true cleaning relies on a mechanical device to = actually remove the lead, usually a wire brush. I had the most trouble = after shooting all lead cast bullet reloads. (cheaper and used mostly = for practice) This caused lead to be deposited directly on the bore and = was very hard to get off.=20 I don't believe anything that would actually dissolve lead could even = be sold to the public due to the toxicity of the solvent. I not a = chemist but, think of gasoline, there have been some lead additives = available and most of them almost wanted you in a hazmat suit to use = them. =20 Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0500 Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Ok, you gun enthusiasts, I have a question. It appears that the best = hope of finding a lead solvent is among the many gun cleaning products. = Hoppe #9 has been mentioned, but when I did some research, I really got = a bit confused. I think there is little distinction made between a true = "solvent" and a cleaner. As best I recall from my highschool chemistry = days, nothing appeared (that I recall) to dissolve lead - but, that was = a while ago. So again, it would appear that if any body would have = something to dissolve lead it would be the gun crowd. For instance, on some of the "Gun" talk lists, I have seen reference = to Hoppe #9 as a "Powder" cleaner and to Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent = as a "lead solvent". Actually I've seen Hoppe referred to for lead = removal as well- but, doesn't claim it dissolves lead. If Hoppe is primarily a "powder" remover then that may explain it not = working as well as we had hoped. I just asked my wife to pick up some = on her trip to support the economy and then found indications on the = web. that what I might really want is Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent - = but that could be just another "cleaner" rather than a true dissolve of = lead. I suspect that most of these products may be cleaners rather than = solvents despite what they are called. Anyone really know?=20 Thanks Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C61D31.EAB87D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe you are right about that, = Bill.   My=20 fading memory seems to recall that lead could with stand most acids and = caustic=20 interactions.  Anything that would attack it as you say would = probably be=20 verboten for the casual user.
 
Ed
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, = 2006 4:08=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: = Lead Solvent=20 or Cleaner

Ed,
 I used to be a competitive shooter in years past. I spent=20 ages keeping things clean. Lead removal has always been = difficult.=20 I DO NOT believe that any of the firearm cleaning products actually dissolves lead. They are = designed=20 to help loosen it's (lead) attachment to the bore of the firearm. = Most=20 true cleaning relies on a mechanical device to actually remove the = lead,=20 usually a wire brush. I had the most trouble after shooting all lead = cast=20 bullet reloads. (cheaper and used mostly for practice) This caused = lead to be=20 deposited directly on the bore and was very hard to get off.
 I don't believe anything that would actually dissolve lead = could=20 even be sold to the public due to the toxicity of the solvent. I not a chemist but, think of = gasoline,=20 there have been some lead additives available and most of them almost = wanted=20 you in a hazmat suit to use = them.=20   
Bill Jepson
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Anderson=20 <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, 19=20 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0500
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: = Lead Solvent=20 or Cleaner

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Lead Solvent or Cleaner

Ok, = you gun=20 enthusiasts, I have a question.  It appears that the best hope of = finding=20 a lead solvent is among the many gun cleaning products.  Hoppe #9 has been mentioned, but = when I did some=20 research, I really got a bit confused.  I think there is little=20 distinction made between a true "solvent" and a cleaner.   = As best I=20 recall from my highschool = chemistry days,=20 nothing appeared (that I recall) to dissolve lead - but, that was a = while=20 ago.  So again, it would appear that if any body would have = something to=20 dissolve lead it would be the gun crowd.
 
For instance, on some of the "Gun" talk lists, = I have=20 seen reference to Hoppe #9 as = a "Powder"=20 cleaner  and to Shooter's = Choice Lead=20 Solvent as a "lead solvent".  Actually I've seen Hoppe referred = to for=20 lead removal as well- but, doesn't claim it dissolves = lead.
 
 If Hoppe is=20 primarily a "powder" remover then that may explain it not working as = well as=20 we had hoped.  I just asked my wife to pick up some on her trip = to=20 support the economy and then found indications on the web. that = what I=20 might really want is Shooter's = Choice Lead=20 Solvent - but that could be just another "cleaner" rather than a true = dissolve=20 of lead.
 
I suspect that most of these products may be = cleaners=20 rather than solvents despite what they are called.  Anyone really = know? 
 
 
Thanks
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A=20 N494BW Rotary = Powered
Matthews,=20 NC
eander= son@carolina.rr.com
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