X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [216.211.128.10] (HELO mail-in04.adhost.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 933400 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:57:23 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.211.128.10; envelope-from=joeh@pilgrimtech.com Received: from Pilgrim10 (tide40.microsoft.com [131.107.0.83]) by mail-in04.adhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7305AC2A74 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:56:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joeh@pilgrimtech.com) From: "Joe Hull" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:56:21 -0800 Message-ID: <034001c61d4b$9515e2b0$cda0389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0341_01C61D08.86F2A2B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcYdSpfof6ONa6/pRzyc51DCZEe/4QAAL1qA This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0341_01C61D08.86F2A2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, it's an Atkin's package - so I have the MicroTech ECU. It does support 4 injectors with staging at various RPM or Throttle positions. I'll be calling Atkins just to make sure and see what different injectors I might need. Thanx Joe Hull Cozy Mk-IV #991 (preping for DAR inspection - details, details) Redmond (Seattle), Washington _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:48 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports Joe, Is your ECU from "Atkins" ? If so will it support staged injectors like Tracy's EC2 ? -- Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2 -------------- Original message from "Joe Hull" : -------------- Yep, I've already got 2 injectors on the "hot side" but I have a complete heat shield that extends from the housing out to past the injectors with a lip on the inboard side to direct any fuel forward or aft well past the exhaust manifold. Bobby Hughes has given me some good info on this that I'll check into as well. Thanx, Joe Hull Cozy Mk-IV #991 (preping for DAR inspection - details, details) Redmond (Seattle), Washington _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark R Steitle Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:31 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports Joe, The only downside I'm aware of is from the proximity to the red-hot exhaust manifold. Its better to have them on the cold side of the engine. With that said, I used these ports for my primary injectors. I'll be installing a heat shield with a drain before first flight. Mark S. _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Joe Hull Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:30 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports Ah - I didn't know. My engine came from Atkins with them plugged. Hmmmm - since I've taken so much grief for only having 2 injectors in my setup - I wonder if I could put a couple more injectors in those holes? What's the downside of doing that? Joe Hull Cozy Mk-IV #991 (preping for DAR inspection - details, details) Redmond (Seattle), Washington _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of William Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:50 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports Joe, Those are injector ports for the primary injectors. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Hull To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports Also, there are two of what I guess are EGR ports on the top side of the center housing. You've got tape over them in the pictures. Those can be plugged too. I've got a couple of aluminum slugs that fit down into them and then a plate on top using the bolt holes right above those ports to hold the plate down tight on the plugs. Joe Hull Cozy Mk-IV #991 (preping for DAR inspection - details, details) Redmond (Seattle), Washington _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of William Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:55 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports Thanks Joe and Buly, I figured that should be enough, but thought it wise to check. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Hull To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports Same here, Bill. Intake manifold gasket covers the upper ones and exhaust plate & gasket cover the bottom ones. Joe Hull Cozy Mk-IV #991 (preping for DAR inspection - details, details) Redmond (Seattle), Washington _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bulent Aliev Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:18 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports Bill, I have blocked all of them. The intake ones were blocked by may homemade gasket, and the exhaustones were blocked by the metal exhaust gaskets. Bulent "Buly" Aliev http://tinyurl.com/dcy36 On Jan 18, 2006, at 6:52 PM, William wrote: The attached three pictures have me pointing to some EGR ports, and where they seem to connect to a point near the intake manifold. Do these need to be blocked off other than that provided by the exhaust flange and the intake flange having no opening in those locations? If so, what do people use? Thanks, Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com / Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ------=_NextPart_000_0341_01C61D08.86F2A2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yep, it’s an Atkin’s = package – so I have the MicroTech ECU. It does support 4 injectors with staging at various RPM or Throttle positions. I’ll be calling Atkins just to = make sure and see what different injectors I might = need.

 

Thanx

Joe = Hull

Cozy Mk-IV #991 (preping for DAR = inspection - details, details)

Redmond (Seattle), Washington

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Thursday, January = 19, 2006 2:48 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = EGR Ports

 

Joe,

  Is your ECU from "Atkins" ? If so will it = support staged injectors like Tracy's EC2 ?

--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2


 

-------------- = Original message from "Joe Hull" <joeh@pilgrimtech.com>: = --------------

Yep, I’ve already got 2 = injectors on the “hot side” but I have a complete heat shield that = extends from the housing out to past the injectors with a lip on the inboard side to = direct any fuel forward or aft well past the exhaust manifold.  =

 

Bobby Hughes has given me some good = info on this that I’ll check into as well.

 

Thanx,

Joe = Hull

Cozy Mk-IV #991 (preping for DAR = inspection - details, details)

Redmond (Seattle), Washington=

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark R Steitle
Sent: Thursday, January = 19, 2006 10:31 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = EGR Ports

 

Joe,

The only downside I’m aware = of is from the proximity to the red-hot exhaust manifold.  Its better to = have them on the cold side of the engine.  With that said, I used these ports = for my primary injectors.  I’ll be installing a heat shield with a = drain before first flight.

 

Mark = S.

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Joe Hull
Sent: Thursday, January = 19, 2006 11:30 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = EGR Ports

 

Ah – I didn’t know. My = engine came from Atkins with them plugged. 

Hmmmm – since I’ve = taken so much grief for only having 2 injectors in my setup – I wonder if I = could put a couple more injectors in those holes? What’s the downside of = doing that?

 

Joe = Hull

Cozy Mk-IV #991 (preping for DAR = inspection - details, details)

Redmond (Seattle), Washington=

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Thursday, January = 19, 2006 6:50 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = EGR Ports

 

Joe, Those are injector ports for the primary = injectors.

Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Joe = Hull

Sent: = Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:04 PM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports

 

Also, there are two of what I guess = are EGR ports on the top side of the center housing. You’ve got tape = over them in the pictures. Those can be plugged too. I’ve got a couple = of aluminum slugs that fit down into them and then a plate on top using the = bolt holes right above those ports to hold the plate down tight on the = plugs.

 

Joe = Hull

Cozy Mk-IV #991 (preping for DAR = inspection - details, details)

Redmond (Seattle), Washington=

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Wednesday, January = 18, 2006 4:55 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = EGR Ports

 

Thanks Joe and Buly, I figured that should be enough, = but thought it wise to check.

Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Joe = Hull

Sent: = Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:26 PM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: EGR Ports

 

Same here, Bill.  Intake = manifold gasket covers the upper ones and exhaust plate & gasket cover the = bottom ones.

 

Joe = Hull

Cozy Mk-IV #991 (preping for DAR = inspection - details, details)

Redmond (Seattle), Washington=

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bulent Aliev
Sent: Wednesday, January = 18, 2006 4:18 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = EGR Ports

 

Bill, I have blocked all of them. The intake ones were blocked = by may homemade gasket, and the exhaustones were blocked by the metal exhaust = gaskets.

Bulent "Buly" Aliev

 

 

On Jan 18, 2006, at 6:52 PM, William = wrote:

 

The attached three pictures have me pointing to some = EGR ports, and where they seem to connect to a point near the intake = manifold. Do these need to be blocked off other than that provided by the exhaust = flange and the intake flange having no opening in those locations? If so, what do = people use?

Thanks,

Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045

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