X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.103] (HELO ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 933257 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:08:18 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.103; envelope-from=jandre@nc.rr.com Received: from jandre3 (rrcs-24-199-153-210.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.199.153.210]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k0JM7F1u007798 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:07:15 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Jeffery J. Andre'" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:05:53 -0500 Organization: Personal Message-ID: <000c01c61d44$84a2a0f0$0a0aa8c0@jandre3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C61D1A.9BCF09F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: Thread-Index: AcYdPL84rKI9DgbDRKWuEw+IkKAZsQAB05+w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C61D1A.9BCF09F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me for de-lurking, but since lead is an elemental metal, "dissolving" lead isn't really possible. You can melt it, or gasify it, (in other words change it's state) but you there are no chemical bonds to "dissolve", so anything claiming to be a "lead solvent" is snake oil. Since it was mechanically applied to the plugs, it seems the only likely solution to cleaning is mechanically removing it. Back to the shadows, Jeff Andre _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of wrjjrs@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:09 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Ed, I used to be a competitive shooter in years past. I spent ages keeping things clean. Lead removal has always been difficult. I DO NOT believe that any of the firearm cleaning products actually dissolves lead. They are designed to help loosen it's (lead) attachment to the bore of the firearm. Most true cleaning relies on a mechanical device to actually remove the lead, usually a wire brush. I had the most trouble after shooting all lead cast bullet reloads. (cheaper and used mostly for practice) This caused lead to be deposited directly on the bore and was very hard to get off. I don't believe anything that would actually dissolve lead could even be sold to the public due to the toxicity of the solvent. I not a chemist but, think of gasoline, there have been some lead additives available and most of them almost wanted you in a hazmat suit to use them. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0500 Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "javascript:parent.ComposeTo('eanderson@carolina.rr.com');"Ed Anderson To: HYPERLINK "javascript:parent.ComposeTo('flyrotary@lancaironline.net');"Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Ok, you gun enthusiasts, I have a question. It appears that the best hope of finding a lead solvent is among the many gun cleaning products. Hoppe #9 has been mentioned, but when I did some research, I really got a bit confused. I think there is little distinction made between a true "solvent" and a cleaner. As best I recall from my highschool chemistry days, nothing appeared (that I recall) to dissolve lead - but, that was a while ago. So again, it would appear that if any body would have something to dissolve lead it would be the gun crowd. For instance, on some of the "Gun" talk lists, I have seen reference to Hoppe #9 as a "Powder" cleaner and to Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent as a "lead solvent". Actually I've seen Hoppe referred to for lead removal as well- but, doesn't claim it dissolves lead. If Hoppe is primarily a "powder" remover then that may explain it not working as well as we had hoped. I just asked my wife to pick up some on her trip to support the economy and then found indications on the web. that what I might really want is Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent - but that could be just another "cleaner" rather than a true dissolve of lead. I suspect that most of these products may be cleaners rather than solvents despite what they are called. Anyone really know? Thanks Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC HYPERLINK "javascript:parent.ComposeTo('eanderson@carolina.rr.com');"eanderson@carolin a.rr.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C61D1A.9BCF09F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Forgive me for de-lurking, but since lead is an = elemental=20 metal, "dissolving" lead isn't really possible.  You can melt it, = or gasify=20 it, (in other words change it's state) but you there are no = chemical=20 bonds to "dissolve", so anything claiming to be a "lead solvent" is = snake=20 oil. 
 
Since it was mechanically applied to the plugs, = it seems=20 the only likely solution to cleaning is mechanically removing=20 it.
 
Back to the shadows,
 
Jeff Andre

From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:09=20 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner

Ed,
 I used to be a competitive shooter in years past. I spent=20 ages keeping things clean. Lead removal has always been difficult.=20 I DO NOT believe that any of the firearm cleaning products actually dissolves lead. They are = designed=20 to help loosen it's (lead) attachment to the bore of the firearm. = Most true=20 cleaning relies on a mechanical device to actually remove the lead, = usually a=20 wire brush. I had the most trouble after shooting all lead cast bullet = reloads.=20 (cheaper and used mostly for practice) This caused lead to be deposited = directly=20 on the bore and was very hard to get off.
 I don't believe anything that would actually dissolve lead = could even=20 be sold to the public due to the toxicity of=20 the solvent. I not a chemist but, think of gasoline, there have been = some lead=20 additives available and most of them almost wanted you in a hazmat suit to use them. =   
Bill Jepson
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Anderson=20 <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, 19=20 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0500
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: = Lead Solvent or=20 Cleaner

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ed = Anderson=20
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Lead Solvent or Cleaner

Ok, you = gun=20 enthusiasts, I have a question.  It appears that the best hope of = finding a=20 lead solvent is among the many gun cleaning products.  Hoppe #9 has been mentioned, but when = I did some=20 research, I really got a bit confused.  I think there is little = distinction=20 made between a true "solvent" and a cleaner.   As best I = recall from=20 my highschool chemistry days, = nothing=20 appeared (that I recall) to dissolve lead - but, that was a while = ago.  So=20 again, it would appear that if any body would have something to dissolve = lead it=20 would be the gun crowd.
 
For instance, on some of the "Gun" talk lists, I = have seen=20 reference to Hoppe #9 as a = "Powder"=20 cleaner  and to Shooter's = Choice Lead=20 Solvent as a "lead solvent".  Actually I've seen Hoppe referred to = for lead=20 removal as well- but, doesn't claim it dissolves lead.
 
 If Hoppe is=20 primarily a "powder" remover then that may explain it not working as = well as we=20 had hoped.  I just asked my wife to pick up some on her trip to = support the=20 economy and then found indications on the web. that what I might = really=20 want is Shooter's Choice Lead = Solvent - but=20 that could be just another "cleaner" rather than a true dissolve of=20 lead.
 
I suspect that most of these products may be = cleaners=20 rather than solvents despite what they are called.  Anyone really=20 know? 
 
 
Thanks
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A=20 N494BW Rotary = Powered
Matthews, NC
eander= son@carolina.rr.com

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