X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.137.3] (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 933158 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:09:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.3; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id q.ae.19d393e (15862) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-r33 (mblk-r33.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.23]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df643cfffd1206; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:08:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:08:32 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7EB53A35A5D01-7F4-3C3F@mblk-r33.sysops.aol.com> From: wrjjrs@aol.com References: Received: from 66.127.99.234 by mblk-r33.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.23) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:08:32 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C7EB53A325E99D_7F4_39FA_mblk-r33.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.23 X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MailBlocks_8C7EB53A325E99D_7F4_39FA_mblk-r33.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ed, I used to be a competitive shooter in years past. I spent ages keeping things clean. Lead removal has always been difficult. I DO NOT believe that any of the firearm cleaning products actually dissolves lead. They are designed to help loosen it's (lead) attachment to the bore of the firearm. Most true cleaning relies on a mechanical device to actually remove the lead, usually a wire brush. I had the most trouble after shooting all lead cast bullet reloads. (cheaper and used mostly for practice) This caused lead to be deposited directly on the bore and was very hard to get off. I don't believe anything that would actually dissolve lead could even be sold to the public due to the toxicity of the solvent. I not a chemist but, think of gasoline, there have been some lead additives available and most of them almost wanted you in a hazmat suit to use them. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0500 Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Anderson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Lead Solvent or Cleaner Ok, you gun enthusiasts, I have a question. It appears that the best hope of finding a lead solvent is among the many gun cleaning products. Hoppe #9 has been mentioned, but when I did some research, I really got a bit confused. I think there is little distinction made between a true "solvent" and a cleaner. As best I recall from my highschool chemistry days, nothing appeared (that I recall) to dissolve lead - but, that was a while ago. So again, it would appear that if any body would have something to dissolve lead it would be the gun crowd. For instance, on some of the "Gun" talk lists, I have seen reference to Hoppe #9 as a "Powder" cleaner and to Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent as a "lead solvent". Actually I've seen Hoppe referred to for lead removal as well- but, doesn't claim it dissolves lead. If Hoppe is primarily a "powder" remover then that may explain it not working as well as we had hoped. I just asked my wife to pick up some on her trip to support the economy and then found indications on the web. that what I might really want is Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent - but that could be just another "cleaner" rather than a true dissolve of lead. I suspect that most of these products may be cleaners rather than solvents despite what they are called. Anyone really know? Thanks Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com ----------MailBlocks_8C7EB53A325E99D_7F4_39FA_mblk-r33.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Ed,
 I used to be a competitive shooter in years past. I spent ages keeping things clean. Lead removal has always been difficult. I DO NOT believe that any of the firearm cleaning products actually dissolves lead. They are designed to help loosen it's (lead) attachment to the bore of the firearm. Most true cleaning relies on a mechanical device to actually remove the lead, usually a wire brush. I had the most trouble after shooting all lead cast bullet reloads. (cheaper and used mostly for practice) This caused lead to be deposited directly on the bore and was very hard to get off.
 I don't believe anything that would actually dissolve lead could even be sold to the public due to the toxicity of the solvent. I not a chemist but, think of gasoline, there have been some lead additives available and most of them almost wanted you in a hazmat suit to use them.   
Bill Jepson
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0500
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Lead Solvent or Cleaner

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Lead Solvent or Cleaner

Ok, you gun enthusiasts, I have a question.  It appears that the best hope of finding a lead solvent is among the many gun cleaning products.  Hoppe #9 has been mentioned, but when I did some research, I really got a bit confused.  I think there is little distinction made between a true "solvent" and a cleaner.   As best I recall from my highschool chemistry days, nothing appeared (that I recall) to dissolve lead - but, that was a while ago.  So again, it would appear that if any body would have something to dissolve lead it would be the gun crowd.
 
For instance, on some of the "Gun" talk lists, I have seen reference to Hoppe #9 as a "Powder" cleaner  and to Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent as a "lead solvent".  Actually I've seen Hoppe referred to for lead removal as well- but, doesn't claim it dissolves lead.
 
 If Hoppe is primarily a "powder" remover then that may explain it not working as well as we had hoped.  I just asked my wife to pick up some on her trip to support the economy and then found indications on the web. that what I might really want is Shooter's Choice Lead Solvent - but that could be just another "cleaner" rather than a true dissolve of lead.
 
I suspect that most of these products may be cleaners rather than solvents despite what they are called.  Anyone really know? 
 
 
Thanks
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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