X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [216.52.245.18] (HELO ispwest-email1.mdeinc.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 928612 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:13:00 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.52.245.18; envelope-from=wschertz@ispwest.com Received: from 7n7z201 (unverified [63.13.186.29]) by ispwest-email1.mdeinc.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.450.0) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:12:05 -0800 X-Modus-BlackList: 63.13.186.29=OK;wschertz@ispwest.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 63.13.186.29=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 63.13.186.29=NO Message-ID: <000f01c61ac8$5b8e9490$0400000a@7n7z201> From: "William" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Anatomy of an almost crash. Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:12:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C61A96.0E2D8A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C61A96.0E2D8A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, I want to look up properties of NPG at my hanger later today, I am = sure that it is miscible with water, so any residual coolant/water left = in the system would just go into solution, not boil and force the = coolant out.=20 Things to consider in your post mortem.=20 1. Possibility of stop leak plugging channels in radiator. This could = have an increased effect due to #2 below. 2. Increased viscosity of NPG vs water -- You were flying in very cold = conditions, and therefore when you are circulating the NPG, it can cool = off a lot in the radiator -- this will make it more viscous, at the cool = end of the radiator, then this increases the load on the pump that is = trying to push the fluid around the loop. The temperature in your engine = may have been climbing before indication on your guage, depending on = where the guage is located. 3. Increase load on pump -- could this cause belt to start = slipping/overheat/fail -- look for signs of hot rubber on belt pulley. I will dig out information on NPG this afternoon. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Anatomy of an almost crash. Bill, This is a good point and something I have been thinking about. The = added NPG was 100% PG but there was obviously a little bit of aquious PG = left in the system. I tried to burn it off during my hour long ground = run, but the temp never got very high (toped out at about 180). That = little bit of water may have boiled over and forced out the evans...=20 Someone else brought up the 7 psi cap with altitude. That is also a = possibility - actually a combination of both. =20 On 1/16/06, William wrote:=20 Dave, When you switched to Evans coolant, was it at 100% Proplyene Glycol? Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 --=20 Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C61A96.0E2D8A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave, I want to look up properties of = NPG at my=20 hanger later today, I am sure that it is miscible with water, so any = residual=20 coolant/water left in the system would just go into solution, not boil = and force=20 the coolant out.
 
Things to consider in your post mortem. =
 
1. Possibility of stop leak plugging = channels=20 in  radiator. This could have an increased effect due to #2=20 below.
2. Increased viscosity of NPG vs water = -- You were=20 flying in very cold conditions, and therefore when you are circulating = the NPG,=20 it can cool off a lot in the radiator -- this will make it more viscous, = at the=20 cool end of the radiator, then this increases the load on the pump that = is=20 trying to push the fluid around the loop. The temperature in your engine = may=20 have been climbing before indication on your guage, depending on where = the guage=20 is located.
3. Increase load on pump -- could this = cause belt=20 to start slipping/overheat/fail -- look for signs of hot rubber on belt=20 pulley.
 
I will dig out information on NPG this=20 afternoon.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 = 11:53=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Anatomy of an=20 almost crash.

Bill,
 
This is a good point and something I have been thinking = about.  The=20 added NPG was 100% PG but there was obviously a little bit of aquious = PG left=20 in the system.  I tried to burn it off during my hour long ground = run,=20 but the temp never got very high (toped out at about 180).  That = little=20 bit of water may have boiled over and forced out the evans...
 
Someone else brought up the 7 psi cap with altitude.  That = is also a=20 possibility - actually a combination of both.

 
On 1/16/06, William=20 <wschertz@ispwest.com>=20 wrote:=20
Dave,
When you switched to Evans coolant, = was it at=20 100% Proplyene Glycol?
 
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
 
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Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
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