X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTPS id 918346 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:04:40 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.182; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-251-205.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.251.205]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k0973jRg023618 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:03:48 +1100 Message-ID: <002101c614ea$da810870$cdfbecdc@george> From: "george lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] More single rotor running Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:03:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C6153E.AB5D4550" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C6153E.AB5D4550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageRusty, It could be the initial balancing of the single. George ( down under) Greetings, Below are the notes from today's adventure. As you'll read, there = are certainly some vibration issues. =20 A question for Richard- Have you run your single rotor with a = realistic sized prop, or just with the drive itself? Have you added any = flywheel weight? =20 Rusty=20 Spent quite a bit of time running the engine today, and tying some = various tests. The good news is that the fluids all stay inside the = engine where they belong, so no more leaks. The bad news is that there = are certainly some vibration issues. =20 Running the engine without the prop does not show any significant = vibration, except for the expected roughness at low rpms, below about = 1800 or so. =20 =20 Running the engine with the 3 blade Warp Drive prop, gives a few = different vibrations. The best bet for "idle" is about 2200 rpm right = now. Reducing rpm below that point hits a pretty severe "rattle" at = about 2000 rpm. This is the same as the rattle I got with the redrive on = the 13B, but it was around 1100 rpm on that engine. Reducing below that = will get out of the severe rattle, but into the expected single rotor = roughness. It's possible to idle around 900 rpm, but you wouldn't want = to. =20 =20 If you start at 2200 rpm, and slowly increase the throttle, all is = well until about 2500 rpm, then a high frequency vibration starts. The = vibration increases in frequency, and amplitude as the rpm increases, = right up to 3100 rpm. At 3100, as you increase throttle, initially = nothing happens, but then the engine will suddenly jump to 3300-3400 = rpm, and be smooth. It's just like someone flipped a switch to get rid = of the vibration. This vibration is pretty severe, and you can see = things like the air filter shaking until they're just a blur. =20 =20 The 3rd problem is an odd "beat frequency" sort of vibration that = happens at all rpms. If you stand directly in line with the prop arc, = you can see the prop tips oscillating forward and back about every = second or so. I only watched this at idle, but other observers said = that it gets much worse at higher rpms, and I can certainly feel it. I = don't really have a clue what this is, unless it's some sort of = interaction between the 2.85 drive, and the ratio of eshaft to rotor = rpm. 3 blade prop??? Gotta think about this some.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C6153E.AB5D4550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message=
Rusty,
It could be the initial balancing of = the=20 single.
George ( down under)

Greetings,

 

Below are the notes from = today's=20 adventure.    As you'll read, there are certainly some=20 vibration issues. 

 

A question for Richard- = Have you run=20 your single rotor with a realistic sized prop, or just with the drive=20 itself?  Have you added any flywheel weight?  =

 

Rusty

 

 

Spent quite a=20 bit of time running the engine today, and tying some various = tests.  The good news is that the = fluids all=20 stay inside the engine where they belong, so no more leaks.  The bad news is that there = are=20 certainly some vibration issues.

 

Running the=20 engine without the prop does not show any significant vibration, = except for=20 the expected roughness at low rpms, below about 1800 or so. 

 

Running the=20 engine with the 3 blade Warp=20 Drive prop, gives a few different = vibrations.  The best bet for =93idle=94 = is about 2200=20 rpm right now.  Reducing = rpm below=20 that point hits a pretty severe =93rattle=94 at about 2000 rpm. This = is the same=20 as the rattle I got with the redrive on the 13B, but it was around = 1100 rpm on=20 that engine.  Reducing = below that=20 will get out of the severe rattle, but into the expected single rotor=20 roughness.  It=92s = possible to idle=20 around 900 rpm, but you wouldn=92t want to. 

 

If you start=20 at 2200 rpm, and slowly increase the throttle, all is well until about = 2500=20 rpm, then a high frequency vibration starts.  The vibration increases in = frequency,=20 and amplitude as the rpm increases, right up to 3100 rpm.  At 3100, as you increase = throttle,=20 initially nothing happens, but then the engine will suddenly jump to = 3300-3400=20 rpm, and be smooth.  = It=92s just=20 like someone flipped a switch to get rid of the vibration.  This vibration is pretty = severe, and=20 you can see things like the air filter shaking until they=92re just a = blur. 

 

The=20 3rd problem is an odd =93beat frequency=94 sort of = vibration that=20 happens at all rpms.  If = you stand=20 directly in line with the prop arc, you can see the prop tips = oscillating=20 forward and back about every second or so.  I only watched this at idle, = but other=20 observers said that it gets much worse at higher rpms, and I can = certainly=20 feel it.  I don=92t = really have a=20 clue what this is, unless it=92s some sort of interaction between the = 2.85=20 drive, and the ratio of eshaft to rotor rpm.  3 blade prop???  Gotta think about this some. =

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