X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.3) with ESMTP id 869066 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:58:52 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.5; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id q.220.508065c (16097) for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M31 (fwm-m31.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.233]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108.32) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee14398e4a610a; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:57:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:57:58 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7CA7B1D32813D-1A14-BCB@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com> From: wrjjrs@aol.com References: Received: from 66.127.99.234 by FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.233) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:57:58 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C7CA7B1D32813D_1A14_BC6_FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.233 X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MailBlocks_8C7CA7B1D32813D_1A14_BC6_FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, thanks. Bill -----Original Message----- From: rijakits To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:09:02 -0500 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication Bill, want a gmail too? YOu can forget anything else! Thomas J. ----- Original Message ----- From: wrjjrs@aol.com To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication Lynn, I am one of the AOL people dropped. I did do the prefered list but still got bounces. I haven't wanted to monitor a separate e-mail list just for ACRE. Paul is usually helpful. I've even met with him personally. I don't know why he sometimes goes off on people. These situations may be justified, or not. He is no dummy and ran his own businesses for years and does have some good advice at times. I must mention though that the thing he hates the most, using site information without crediting a source, has happened to me personally through the site. Now I trust some of the people I know on both sites will give me a heads up if there is truly revolutionary idea that comes up. I don't wish ill on anybody trying to help build safer aircraft. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Lehanover@aol.com To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:43:21 EST Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication All AOL people were dropped after AOL altered their Spam controls, in some way that PL's list looked like Spam and bounced the messages. Other systems may have done the same thing, and some require you to add the PL list to your list of OK sites in order to get messages from that list. I was unable to figure that out for AOL, and apparently I was not alone. I re-upped through a free Lycos Email page and all goes well unless the mailbox fills up and then you start bouncing again and get dropped. PL was promoting rotary engines for aircraft when most people had never seen one. He has little time for those who refuse to look up anything on their own, and, or, insist on constructing failure prone contraptions that will damage the rotary's (and home building in general) already doubtful reputation. Most of the people on his list belong to this one anyway, so I see no advantage in slamming his list. There are some real bright people over there too. If you are familiar with some of the basic rules for designing hose systems, aircraft fasteners, and just plain common sense, you could scarcely keep your lunch down when looking at some of the home built planes at Sun&Fun. The rotary planes are actually pretty advanced when compared to most. But I have yet to see even one rotary powered plane where I agreed with every method or feature of construction. There is always something that could be made better looking, or safer, or stronger, or lighter, or, whatever. Its about time that the rotary people had their own air-race, early, during Sun&Fun (but not near Lakeland) and just post the results in the rotary tent. (So the Sun&Fun people don't have a cow) But then, I could be (and often am) wrong. Lynn E. Hanover ----------MailBlocks_8C7CA7B1D32813D_1A14_BC6_FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Yes, thanks.
Bill 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: rijakits <rijakits@cwpanama.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:09:02 -0500
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication

Bill,
 
want a gmail too?
YOu can forget anything else!
 
Thomas J.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:57 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication

Lynn,
 I am one of the AOL people dropped. I did do the prefered list but still got bounces. I haven't wanted to monitor a separate e-mail list just for ACRE. Paul is usually helpful. I've even met with him personally.  I don't know why he sometimes goes off on people. These situations may be justified, or not. He is no dummy and ran his own businesses for years and does have some good advice at times. I must mention though that the thing he hates the most, using site information without crediting a source, has happened to me personally through the site. Now I trust some of the people I know on both sites will give me a heads up if there is truly revolutionary idea that comes up. I don't wish ill on anybody trying to help build safer aircraft.
Bill Jepson
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lehanover@aol.com
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:43:21 EST
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication

All AOL people were dropped after AOL altered their Spam controls, in some way that PL's list looked like Spam and bounced the messages. Other systems may have done the same thing, and some require you to add the PL list to your list of OK sites in order to get messages from that list. I was unable to figure that out for AOL, and apparently I was not alone.
 
I re-upped through a free Lycos Email page and all goes well unless the mailbox fills up and then you start bouncing again and get dropped.
 
PL was promoting rotary engines for aircraft when most people had never seen one. He has little time for those who refuse to look up anything on their own, and, or, insist on constructing failure prone contraptions that will damage the rotary's (and home building in general) already doubtful reputation. Most of the people on his list belong to this one anyway, so I see no advantage in slamming his list. There are some real bright people over there too.
 
If you are familiar with some of the basic rules for designing hose systems, aircraft fasteners,
and just plain common sense, you could scarcely keep your lunch down when looking at some of the home built planes at Sun&Fun. The rotary planes are actually pretty advanced when compared to most. But I have yet to see even one rotary powered plane where I agreed with every method or feature of construction. There is always something that could be made better looking, or safer, or stronger, or lighter, or, whatever.
 
Its about time that the rotary people had their own air-race, early, during Sun&Fun (but not near Lakeland) and just post the results in the rotary tent. (So the Sun&Fun people don't have a cow)
 
But then, I could be (and often am) wrong.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
    
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