X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [201.225.225.168] (HELO cwpanama.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.3) with ESMTP id 868556 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:10:16 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=201.225.225.168; envelope-from=rijakits@cwpanama.net Received: from [201.224.93.110] (HELO usuarioq3efog0) by frontend2.cwpanama.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 54170795 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:27:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c5fc33$421a7910$6e5de0c9@usuarioq3efog0> From: "rijakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:09:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5FC09.531C8390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5FC09.531C8390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, want a gmail too? YOu can forget anything else! Thomas J. ----- Original Message ----- From: wrjjrs@aol.com To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication Lynn, I am one of the AOL people dropped. I did do the prefered list but still got bounces. I haven't wanted to monitor a separate e-mail list just for ACRE. Paul is usually helpful. I've even met with him personally. I don't know why he sometimes goes off on people. These situations may be justified, or not. He is no dummy and ran his own businesses for years and does have some good advice at times. I must mention though that the thing he hates the most, using site information without crediting a source, has happened to me personally through the site. Now I trust some of the people I know on both sites will give me a heads up if there is truly revolutionary idea that comes up. I don't wish ill on anybody trying to help build safer aircraft. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Lehanover@aol.com To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:43:21 EST Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication All AOL people were dropped after AOL altered their Spam controls, in some way that PL's list looked like Spam and bounced the messages. Other systems may have done the same thing, and some require you to add the PL list to your list of OK sites in order to get messages from that list. I was unable to figure that out for AOL, and apparently I was not alone. I re-upped through a free Lycos Email page and all goes well unless the mailbox fills up and then you start bouncing again and get dropped. PL was promoting rotary engines for aircraft when most people had never seen one. He has little time for those who refuse to look up anything on their own, and, or, insist on constructing failure prone contraptions that will damage the rotary's (and home building in general) already doubtful reputation. Most of the people on his list belong to this one anyway, so I see no advantage in slamming his list. There are some real bright people over there too. If you are familiar with some of the basic rules for designing hose systems, aircraft fasteners, and just plain common sense, you could scarcely keep your lunch down when looking at some of the home built planes at Sun&Fun. The rotary planes are actually pretty advanced when compared to most. But I have yet to see even one rotary powered plane where I agreed with every method or feature of construction. There is always something that could be made better looking, or safer, or stronger, or lighter, or, whatever. Its about time that the rotary people had their own air-race, early, during Sun&Fun (but not near Lakeland) and just post the results in the rotary tent. (So the Sun&Fun people don't have a cow) But then, I could be (and often am) wrong. Lynn E. Hanover ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5FC09.531C8390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
 
want a gmail too?
YOu can forget anything else!
 
Thomas J.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 08, = 2005 2:57=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Excommunication

Lynn,
 I am one of the AOL people dropped. I did do the prefered = list but=20 still got bounces. I haven't wanted to monitor a separate e-mail = list=20 just for ACRE. Paul is usually helpful. I've even met with him=20 personally.  I don't know why he sometimes goes off on people. = These=20 situations may be justified, or not. He is no dummy and ran his = own=20 businesses for years and does have some good advice at times. I must = mention=20 though that the thing he hates the most, using site = information without=20 crediting a source, has happened to me personally through = the site. Now I=20 trust some of the people I know on both sites will give me a heads up = if there=20 is truly revolutionary idea that comes up. I don't wish ill on = anybody=20 trying to help build safer aircraft.
Bill Jepson
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Lehanover@aol.com
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:43:21=20 EST
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Excommunication

All AOL people were dropped after AOL altered their Spam = controls, in=20 some way that PL's list looked like Spam and bounced the messages. = Other=20 systems may have done the same thing, and some require you to add the = PL list=20 to your list of OK sites in order to get messages from that list. = I was=20 unable to figure that out for AOL, and apparently I was not = alone.
 
I re-upped through a free Lycos Email page and all goes well = unless=20 the mailbox fills up and then you start bouncing again and get = dropped.
 
PL was promoting rotary engines for aircraft when most people had = never=20 seen one. He has little time for those who refuse to look up = anything on=20 their own, and, or, insist on constructing failure prone = contraptions=20 that will damage the rotary's (and home building in general) already = doubtful=20 reputation. Most of the people on his list belong to this one anyway, = so I see=20 no advantage in slamming his list. There are some real bright people = over=20 there too.
 
If you are familiar with some of the basic rules for designing = hose=20 systems, aircraft fasteners,
and just plain common sense, you could scarcely keep your lunch = down when=20 looking at some of the home built planes at Sun&Fun. The rotary = planes are=20 actually pretty advanced when compared to most. But I have yet to see = even one=20 rotary powered plane where I agreed with every method or feature of=20 construction. There is always something that could be made better = looking, or=20 safer, or stronger, or lighter, or, whatever.
 
Its about time that the rotary people had their own air-race, = early,=20 during Sun&Fun (but not near Lakeland) and just post the results = in the=20 rotary tent. (So the Sun&Fun people don't have a cow)
 
But then, I could be (and often am) wrong.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
    
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