Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #28111
From: Bob White <rlwhite@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Intersting flight
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:54:39 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Steve,

I haven't put it to the test yet, but I actually have 3 switches.  One
for the master relay, one to connect the main battery to the critical
bus, and one to connect the aux battery to the critical bus.  Also by
closing both critical bus switches, I can supply cranking power from
both batteries.  I'm using two PC680's.

I'm sure glad you had a successful landing, and it wasn't off field.

Bob W.


On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:35:26 -0800 (PST)
Steve Brooks <prvt_pilot@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Al,
You make an excellent point on the single failure
point.  I've been trying to come up with a way to
eliminate the problem, but outside of going to 2
switches, I'm not sure how to do it. Even with 2
switches the one for the engine is still a single
failure point for the engine.  The emergency checklist is also a good idea.  I'm
going to check today, I think that I already have one
with my preflight checklist.  A placard for engine out
is probably better though, rather than trying to find
a paper copy during an emergency.

Steve

--- Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net> wrote:

> What a relief the find that the power came back on;
> and that you landed
> without mishap. My adrenalin level was going up when
> I got to the part of
> your story where you were heading for the highway.
> >  > > I see two important lessons in your experience;
> > Redundancy in the system isn't much good if there is
> still a single point
> failure.
> > Have an emergency checklist that is well memorized,
> but kept handy.
> >  > > Glad everything is OK,
> >  > > Al
> >  > >  > > -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> Behalf Of Steve Brooks
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:29 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Intersting flight
> >  > > I made it down to South Carolina, to among other
> > things, fly the Cozy.  It had been 2 months to the
> day
> > since I had been down, so the remaining 8 hours of
> the
> > 40 test hours have been slow to come off.
> >  > > On Thursday I washed about 30 lbs of dust off of the
> > plane (open T hanger) and checked everything out.  I
> > did a high speed run down the runway, but didn't
> have
> > time to get in a flight.
> >  > > Yesterday I went to the airport after it warmed up a
> > few degrees, and took off.  The engine was running
> > very strong in the cooler air (54 degrees).  I had
> > planned to do about a 30 minute flight ad land, just
> > to check everything out, and was was doing turns and
> > just cruising around about 6-7 miles from the
> airport
> > at about 2900 MSL (2300 AGL).  While flying straight
> > and level, I felt a sudden miss in engine.  When I
> > check the I/P, I also noticed that the digital
> gauges,
> > fuel and oil, had rebooted.  I immediately started a
> > turn toward the airport.
> >  > > About 15 seconds later, I lost total electric.  The
> > I/P went dead, and so did the engine.  This isn't
> > good, I thought.  Actually, it was more like, OH
> SH**.
> >  I took a look at the airport, and I was too far to
> > make it there, so I looked around, and a 4 lane
> > highway, which has light traffic appeared to be my
> > best option.  I had just started turning toward that
> > highway, when the electric power came back, and the
> > engine picked back up.
> >  > > I immediately started a climb, and headed toward the
> > airport again.  I already knew that there was a
> plane
> > in the pattern doing touch and goes (unicom field),
> so
> > I called the airport and advised the other aircraft
> > that I had a serious issue, and needed to make a
> > straight in landing.
> >  > > It didn't lose power again, on the trip back to the
> > airport, but that 6-7 miles seemed to take forever. > I
> > stayed on the high side on altitude, for obvious
> > reasons, and then had to bleed altitude (and speed)
> > while on short final.  I came in a little fast, and
> > touched down earlier than normal, but still was on
> the
> > ground, and very happy.
> >  > > Since I have two separate electrical systems (engine
> > and everything else), I was really stunned that I
> lost
> > both like that.  After thinking about it for I
> while,
> > I figured out that the master switch was the only
> > common link.  I pulled the I/P cover off, and found
> > that the ground connector was pulled off of the
> > terminal and just sitting there barely touching the
> > contact.
> > The cause of this was the fact that when I did an
> > annual on the plane in May, I had added some
> addition
> > ty-raps to dress up the wiring a little more.  In
> > doing so, I had stretched the ground wire which runs
> > to the master switch, which energizes the two master
> > relays.  > >  > > It was an easy fix, but now I have to replenish the
> > adrenalin supply, and figure out how to get the
> ridge
> > out of the seat cushion.  > >  > > After some ground testing, I made another flight
> > (circling the airport) and everything checked out
> OK. > >  > >  > > I have an emergency bypass switch that will supply
> > power to the engine systems from either the forward
> or
> > aft battery.  I didn't think to switch it over, but
> I
> === message truncated ===


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