X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.77] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.3) with SMTP id 861818 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:44:47 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.200.77; envelope-from=prvt_pilot@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 17300 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2005 15:40:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oPTvW4p6k+qNWXBxnjbfhe7inlJ3wTO4yMySdzULSTLOjOepisMDlU/5owa3qfOs/PNXSGmGm+4fBPxQwVjgiDU9kxdm+XCgrpObVJ9HcX2ibVqjBEz3P7ykQg0gOYkSrlzqX3BEAkeYD4uGrmeV/9edI8T+eHh2F1mWZ69yWK0= ; Message-ID: <20051203154017.17298.qmail@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.135.38.149] by web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:40:17 PST Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Brooks Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Intersting flight To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ed, As I said, my encounter was rather minor compared to some of your stories that I've heard. Being at 3000 feet in a plane with everything out was plenty for me. 'm sure that I have several new gray hairs. Steve --- Ed Anderson wrote: > Hi Steve > > Very glad to hear you and aircraft got back on the > ground safely. Yes, > events like those really do use up seat cushions - > don't they. Glad you > found the problem - amazing how little things like > adding tie wraps can > cause such an exciting "adventure". > > I too have a "Live Man" switch, actually a circuit > breaker (normally open) > that when I push it in by-passes power around all > switches to the critical > systems (fuel and spark). I aborted a take-off > from a 2200 ft runway > (after getting airborne) when the engine began to > surge. Only thing I did > have time to do (which in hind sight was a waste of > effort) was too push in > the circuit breaker. Of course, the odds of a > surging engine being caused > by a electrical problem is low - turned out it was > the fuel map set too low > for the higher engine rpms (this was when I was > using an HALTECH EFI which > you had to tune with laptop). > > But, a good idea in my opinion since often use > switches could possibly fail. > > In any case, sounds like all the thought processes > regarding what to do were > well done Land long and land hot if you have too - > far better to go off the > far end doing 20 mph than end up short on distance > or airspeed - my opinion, > of course. > > Ed A > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Brooks" > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:28 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Intersting flight > > > >I made it down to South Carolina, to among other > > things, fly the Cozy. It had been 2 months to the > day > > since I had been down, so the remaining 8 hours of > the > > 40 test hours have been slow to come off. > > > > On Thursday I washed about 30 lbs of dust off of > the > > plane (open T hanger) and checked everything out. > I > > did a high speed run down the runway, but didn't > have > > time to get in a flight. > > > > Yesterday I went to the airport after it warmed up > a > > few degrees, and took off. The engine was running > > very strong in the cooler air (54 degrees). I had > > planned to do about a 30 minute flight ad land, > just > > to check everything out, and was was doing turns > and > > just cruising around about 6-7 miles from the > airport > > at about 2900 MSL (2300 AGL). While flying > straight > > and level, I felt a sudden miss in engine. When I > > check the I/P, I also noticed that the digital > gauges, > > fuel and oil, had rebooted. I immediately started > a > > turn toward the airport. > > > > About 15 seconds later, I lost total electric. > The > > I/P went dead, and so did the engine. This isn't > > good, I thought. Actually, it was more like, OH > SH**. > > I took a look at the airport, and I was too far to > > make it there, so I looked around, and a 4 lane > > highway, which has light traffic appeared to be my > > best option. I had just started turning toward > that > > highway, when the electric power came back, and > the > > engine picked back up. > > > > I immediately started a climb, and headed toward > the > > airport again. I already knew that there was a > plane > > in the pattern doing touch and goes (unicom > field), so > > I called the airport and advised the other > aircraft > > that I had a serious issue, and needed to make a > > straight in landing. > > > > It didn't lose power again, on the trip back to > the > > airport, but that 6-7 miles seemed to take > forever. I > > stayed on the high side on altitude, for obvious > > reasons, and then had to bleed altitude (and > speed) > > while on short final. I came in a little fast, > and > > touched down earlier than normal, but still was on > the > > ground, and very happy. > > > > Since I have two separate electrical systems > (engine > > and everything else), I was really stunned that I > lost > > both like that. After thinking about it for I > while, > > I figured out that the master switch was the only > > common link. I pulled the I/P cover off, and > found > > that the ground connector was pulled off of the > > terminal and just sitting there barely touching > the > > contact. > > The cause of this was the fact that when I did an > > annual on the plane in May, I had added some > addition > > ty-raps to dress up the wiring a little more. In > > doing so, I had stretched the ground wire which > runs > > to the master switch, which energizes the two > master > > relays. > > > > It was an easy fix, but now I have to replenish > the > > adrenalin supply, and figure out how to get the > ridge > > out of the seat cushion. > > > > After some ground testing, I made another flight > > (circling the airport) and everything checked out > OK. > > > > > > I have an emergency bypass switch that will supply > > power to the engine systems from either the > forward or > > aft battery. I didn't think to switch it over, > but I > > really didn't get to the point of doing any > trouble > > shooting, so I'm not sure if I would have thought > of > > that option or not. It was without power for only > > about 20 seconds, but it seemed much longer. I > will > > definitely remember the emergency power switch, > should > > I every have an issue like that again, but I hope > that > > never happens. > > > > This isn't nearly as harrowing as some of the > > experiences that Ed or John have had, but it was > > plenty for me. I don't want any more glider time. > > > > Steve Brooks > > Cozy MKIV > > Turbo rotary > > > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ > > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >