X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.250.85] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.3) with ESMTP id 861598 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:47:06 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.250.85; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:46:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.174.2.213 by BAY115-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 05:46:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.174.2.213] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EGT delta/ EC2 Primer Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:46:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01C5F7A2.F8118EB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:46:16 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2005 05:46:20.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2CD94C0:01C5F7CC] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C5F7A2.F8118EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageWOW, 20 clicks AND cold start! Good grief it's cold up there. Thanks for the feedback Todd. I'm using about 4 - 6 clicks in mild = weather with mix at full rich but without cold start. Based on your = experience and what I'm seeing here in Fla. I will increase the primer = pulse width. =20 The Auto Tune is now a standard feature in the EM2 and I've had good = success with it. Unfortunately I have not gotten much feedback from the = field so I do not have a lot of confidence in the instructions furnished = with it yet. It always seems that the engineer who designs a widget is = incapable of describing how to use it to anyone else. Guess that's why = 'real' companies devote a separate department to documentation. Concerning your EM2 display glitch, did you extend the cable between = the DAQ module and the display? If it is over 3 or so feet you are = probably getting self induced crosstalk in the cable. There is a filter = mod that will take care of that. I'll be glad to install it and the = auto tune if you like. Tracy (hoping to hear more squawks from builders) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bartrim, Todd=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGT delta Hi Tracy; Yup, I've had the updated chip since last spring. It does work, = but in these cold temps (-15C), I still need to set mixture at full = rich, cold start on, then it takes between 20 & 30 clicks of the primer = function and it will start right up. Less than 20 clicks and it just = coughed a bit. The fuel was old though, but I've since filled up with = fresh fuel, but not had the opportunity to do a cold start. It almost = seems that I couldn't flood it if I tried. I doubt that most of your = other users would require more but I'd like to have a little longer = pulse for each click. Is there any other new updates to the EC2 chip, that I should get? = What about the EM2 with autotune? Is that now fully available or is it = just a few beta versions out there? If so is it compatible with the = early versions of the EC2 (big box) and EM2 ? While my tuning is pretty = good right now, I still have some work to do on the low MAP table, so = would really like to have the autotune capability. I still get the = occasional character shift to the left on my EM2 display, requiring a = reboot. My display wire cable is well shielded now as previously there = was allot of problems with this. I don't suppose there is any known fix = for this at this time? Todd =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Tracy Crook Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:12 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGT delta Glad to hear that you are flying again Todd. BTW, you are the one = who inspired the new Primer function on the EC2. Can't remember if = yours has it or not. If so, are you using it and how does it work at = low temperatures? ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C5F7A2.F8118EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
WOW, 20 clicks AND cold start!   Good grief it's cold up=20 there.
 
Thanks for the feedback Todd.  I'm using about 4 - 6 clicks in = mild=20 weather with mix at full rich but without cold start.  Based = on your=20 experience and what I'm seeing here in Fla. I will increase the primer = pulse=20 width.  
 
The Auto Tune is now a standard feature in the EM2 and I've = had good=20 success with it.  Unfortunately I have not gotten much feedback = from the=20 field so I do not have a lot of confidence in the instructions furnished = with it=20 yet.  It always seems that the engineer who designs a widget = is=20 incapable of describing how to use it to anyone else.  Guess = that=92s why=20 'real' companies devote a separate department to = documentation.
 
Concerning your EM2 display glitch,  did you extend the = cable=20 between the DAQ module and the display?  If it is over 3 or so feet = you are=20 probably getting self induced crosstalk in the cable.  There is a = filter=20 mod that will take care of that.  I'll be glad to install it and = the auto=20 tune if you like.
 
Tracy (hoping to hear more squawks from builders)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bartrim, Todd
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 = 4:53=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGT = delta

Hi = Tracy;
    Yup,=20 I've had the updated chip since last spring. It does work, but in = these cold=20 temps (-15C), I still need to set mixture at full rich, cold start on, = then it=20 takes between 20 & 30 clicks of the primer function and it will = start=20 right up. Less than 20 clicks and it just coughed a bit. The fuel was = old=20 though, but I've since filled up with fresh fuel, but not had the = opportunity=20 to do a cold start. It almost seems that I couldn't flood it if I = tried. I=20 doubt that most of your other users would require more but I'd like to = have a=20 little longer pulse for each click.
    Is=20 there any other new updates to the EC2 chip, that I should get? What = about the=20 EM2 with autotune? Is that now fully available or is it just a few = beta=20 versions out there? If so is it compatible with the early versions of = the EC2=20 (big box) and EM2 ? While my tuning is pretty good right now, I = still=20 have some work to do on the low MAP table, so would really like to = have the=20 autotune capability. I still get the occasional character shift to the = left on=20 my EM2 display, requiring a reboot. My display wire cable is = well=20 shielded now as previously there was allot of problems with this. I = don't=20 suppose there is any known fix for this at this time?
 
   =20 Todd   

From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy=20 Crook
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:12 = AM
To: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGT=20 delta

Glad to hear that you are flying again Todd.  BTW, you are = the one=20 who inspired the new Primer function on the EC2.  Can't = remember if=20 yours has it or not.  If so, are you using it and how does it = work at=20 low temperatures?
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