Return-Path: <13brv3@bellsouth.net> Received: from imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.73] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0) with ESMTP id 814635 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:26:25 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.73; envelope-from=13brv3@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm69aec.bellsouth.net ([65.6.194.9]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051104152536.TKYR1975.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm69aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:25:36 -0500 Received: from rd ([65.6.194.9]) by ibm69aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051104152535.EWPP11405.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@rd> for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:25:35 -0500 From: "Russell Duffy" <13brv3@bellsouth.net> To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Rusty's next project dilemma was Re: Another Run - with Questions Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:25:36 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c5e154$01337860$6101a8c0@rd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5E121.B6990860" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5E121.B6990860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, Rusty, I'll ask. What makes the Xl more attractive to you than an = RV-8? Not a bad aircraft from what I read, but don't think it can really = compare to bang for buck of an RV-8? Curious minds want to know.=20 =20 Hi Ed, =20 Well, all you have to do is wait a few hours, and the RV-8 will be back = in the lead :-) I didn't really intend to bog the list with this stuff, = but since you asked, and since it is rotary related... =20 The Zenith 601XL is a nice plane by all accounts, and it's Sport Pilot legal. I don't have any foreseeable requirement for a SP plane, but realistically, it's all I ever needed for the type flying I do. My = primary interest in the XL is that it's almost ideal for a single rotor engine installation. The cowl is big, and they allow up to 300 lbs FWF. In = fact, they have an O-235 engine option, which weighs in at slightly more than = 300 lbs I think. HP requirement is 100-125. Performance is the max allowed (plus some I suspect) for SP, and it's a nice looking plane, simple to build, etc. =20 =20 The biggest drawback is the price of the kit, particularly when you add = all the options. You could build an RV-X airframe for a couple thousand cheaper, if you used a standard kit (which I wouldn't). I also much = prefer centerline seating, and the XL is only available in side by side. =20 =20 In my opinion, the RV-8 is the very best experimental plane every = designed. I loved flying the one I had before, but felt guilty about the money I = had tied up in it, particularly when I realized that I could make money by selling it. With a Renesis engine (maybe turbo), it would be a great = plane, though resale would suffer. On the other hand, I wouldn't have nearly = as much money in it, so I wouldn't feel as guilty, and I'd have something = to tinker with, which would make me want to keep it longer. =20 =20 With a Lycoming, inverted oil, and a CS prop, the RV-8 is an awesome = plane, and it would be a better investment than my 401K has been. I would have = to decide if I wanted to build it to maximize what I'd make on resale, or whether I would be happy to break even eventually. =20 The only other sticky issue with the RV-8 is that I'd hate to embarrass Tracy by ordering a kit now, and having it flying before he flies his = :-) =20 Sorry you asked yet :-) =20 =20 Cheers, Rusty (just kidding Tracy, please don't sabotage my EC-2 ) =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5E121.B6990860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ok, Rusty, I'll ask.  What = makes the=20 Xl more attractive to you than an RV-8? Not a bad aircraft from what I = read, but=20 don't think it can really compare to bang for buck of an = RV-8?
Curious minds want to know. 
 
Hi=20 Ed,
 
Well,=20 all you have to do is wait a few hours, and the RV-8 will be back in the = lead=20 :-)    I didn't really intend to bog the list with this = stuff,=20 but since you asked, and since it is rotary=20 related...
 
The=20 Zenith 601XL is a nice plane by all accounts, and it's Sport=20 Pilot legal.  I don't have any foreseeable requirement for a = SP plane,=20 but realistically, it's all I ever needed for the type flying I = do. =20 My primary interest in the XL is that it's almost ideal for a = single=20 rotor engine installation.  The cowl is big, and they allow up to = 300 lbs=20 FWF.  In fact, they have an O-235 engine option, which weighs = in at=20 slightly more than 300 lbs I think.  HP requirement is=20 100-125.  Performance is the max allowed (plus some I suspect) for = SP, and=20 it's a nice looking plane, simple to build, etc. =20
 
The=20 biggest drawback is the price of the kit, particularly when you add all = the=20 options.  You could build an RV-X airframe for a couple = thousand=20 cheaper, if you used a standard kit (which I wouldn't).  I also = much=20 prefer centerline seating, and the XL is only available in side by=20 side.   
 
In my=20 opinion, the RV-8 is the very best experimental plane every = designed. =20 I loved flying the one I had before, but felt guilty about the money I = had tied=20 up in it, particularly when I realized that I could make money by = selling=20 it.  With a Renesis engine (maybe turbo), it would be a great = plane, though=20 resale would suffer.  On the other hand, I wouldn't have nearly as = much=20 money in it, so I wouldn't feel as guilty, and I'd have something to = tinker=20 with, which would make me want to keep it longer.  =20
 
With a=20 Lycoming, inverted oil, and a CS prop, the RV-8 is an awesome = plane, and it=20 would be a better investment than my 401K has been.  I would have = to decide=20 if I wanted to build it to maximize what I'd make on resale, or whether = I would=20 be happy to break even eventually.
 
The only=20 other sticky issue with the RV-8 is that I'd hate to embarrass Tracy by = ordering=20 a kit now, and having it flying before he flies his = :-)
 
Sorry you=20 asked yet :-) 
 
Cheers,
Rusty (just=20 kidding Tracy, please don't sabotage my EC-2 = <g>)
 
 
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