X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0) with ESMTP id 811163 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:42:06 -0500 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.102.122.149; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2005 16:41:23 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,276,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="74885308:sNHT24819276" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jA1LeeK4002129 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:41:15 -0500 Received: from [64.102.45.251] ([64.102.45.251]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:41:15 -0500 Message-ID: <4367E0FA.80000@nc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:41:14 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Catto Prop References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 21:41:15.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC70E7A0:01C5DF2C] David Leonard wrote: > > If I can turn my 2-blade 74" prop at 3000k, will I pick up any speed > from a 3-blade 74" prop turning at the same speed (through reduced > slip)? If I make the prop shorter can I turn it faster? I have heard > that 900fps prop tip speed is a good upper limit. Is this a > good number to use? Should I be using that as my cruise tip speed, > not max tip speed? > Dave, read http://ernest.isa-geek.org/Delta/Library/HowIMakeProp.pdf There are several sections in there that you won't care anything about, but he spends a lot of time discussing how he sizes props. It's been a while since I read it, but I'm fairly certain that his rule of thumb was that an inch of prop will give him 100RPM. Nothing is linear in this game, but jumping from a 68 to a 74 would drop you down to around 2500RPM. 900fps tip speed in cruise is riding the bleeding edge of supersonic and leaves precious little headroom when you want to get there fast. Another blade will absorb (nearly) as much energy as each of the first two. If you're making 150HP, then each blade would be converting 75HP to thrust. A third blade of the same size and pitch would absorb (nearly) another 75HP at the same RPM. Do you have that much throttle left? The (nearly) is important because there are some side effects like friction and blade interference that have an effect and some are nearly impossible to quantify. Luckily, their effects tend to be small. -- ,|"|"|, | ----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta | o| d |o www.ernest.isa-geek.org |