Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #26834
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: counterweights
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:42:07 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ok, just a thought.   The 8.4 could have the same depth of the 9.1 provided the area of the depression was a bit larger.  Could pour water into the depression until its full and then do the same for a 9.1 {:>) and compare.  Yes, I don't know of any markings on the counterweights that could be used to sort it out. 
 
Well, I could believe 89-95 would have the same counterweights as those rotors all supposedly weight the same 9.54 lbs regardless of the compression (Humm a bit suspect there), but I would think the heavier 10.4 lbs weights of the 86-88 would require heavier counterweights.
 
Its a bitch when you don't get what you ordered and what's more have little to go by to prove it one way or the other.
 
Me? I'm Waiting for new right-gear leg.  After replacing the clearly bent left gear which had my left wing tip 3" lower than the right, I found that after replacing that gear leg, that the left wing is now 6" higher than the right one.  Taking the right gear leg off and using a straight edge, I found the lower axle area about 3" to the rear of where it should be.  Result of my hard landing back in Feb when I found out that pulling the power all the way to idle made my 76x88 prop act like a very effective airbrake.  The excursion into the ditch when the brakeline blew in June didn't help any I'm certain.
 
But, hope to get it all back together for Shady Bend in October.
 
 
Ed A
 
 
Thanks Ed, but that wont work. 
 
I only have 1 rear counter weight, and that came with the engine sold to me by Adkins (the other engine came with a flywheel).  Turns out the rotors in that engine were 8.5:1 S4 turbo rotors when they were supposed to be the S5 turbo rotors.  So I have absolutely no faith in what kind of counter weights he threw on there.  There is one for sale on e-bay - but that guy does not know what year it came from either.  hmmm
 
To throw a wrench in the works, I was reading about the subject on the RX-7 forum, and one guy claims that has weighed the counter weights and finds that all engines from 86-95 have the same counter weights!!  But I want to believe it because it would be easy.
 
I know that Mazda has different part numbers but I suppose they could still all be the same...
 
Sigh..... 
 
And the worst part is that there was a pair of 9.7:1 rotors on e-bay a while back and I flaked and forgot to put in a bit...  they went for $120 for the pair, but new ones are $600 each - ouch!
 
I'm taking a good hard look at trying to repair the 9.4 rotors that Ernest sent...
 
Thanks for all the great stats to help me identify the rotors.  The depth seems to match everything else I know about the rotors.  Except:
 
The depth of the chamber on the rotors from Atkins (10.2#  with cast depression) is only (about) 7 mm.  Do you think that the 8.5 rotors might have the same depth as the 9.0 (or 9.1) rotors?
 
Dave

 
On 10/4/05, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Dave, a though occurred to me.  Since you do know the weight of the rotors for each compression and year (see Mazdatirx chart below), if  any one had the counter weights for a know year, I imagine there is a proportional ratio between rotor weight and counter weight.  In other words, the lightest rotors should take the lightest counter weights.  Heaviest rotors the heaviest counterweights.  In fact if you had two data points for two different compression rotors you could probably come close to figuring out the third counter weight weight.
 
Just a though.
 
Ed A
Engine Year Compression Weight (Grams) Weight (Pounds)
12A 76-82 9.4 4603 10.15
12A 83-85 9.4 4353 9.60
13B 74-78 9.2 5253 11.58
13B 84-85 9.4 5253 11.58
13B N/T 86-88 9.4 4553 10.04
13B Turbo 86-88 8.5 4553 10.04
13B N/T 89-92 9.7 4328 9.54
13B Turbo 89-92 9.0 4328 9.54
13B T/T 93-95 9.0 4328 9.54
 
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com



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