Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #26453
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Overvoltage control (help Ed A)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:23:54 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Message
  On alternators with internal regulators (most Auto alternators), breaking the low current Field circuit may not (will likely not) stop the alternator from producing current.  Most of the alternators need the field coil current to "bootleg" their start in producing voltage, but once generating - do not need the external field coil current to continue.  That is why if you have an alternator with an internal regulator, you can not depend on opening the low current field coil circuit to kill the power and why you would need a  method similar to the one described in this thread of breaking the high current (Power lead usually referred to as the "B" lead) through a high capacity relay (Contactor) or a "fuse".
 
There are always side effects when interrupting a high current flow (less if the current flow is minimal).  If there is a large inductive load (such as a large DC motor) then the back EFM can produce a high voltage spike.  There are reports that alternators may increase their  voltage dramatically if there is a sudden loss of load -but, its never been clear to me if that is a malfunctioning generator or caused by the lost of load - never been tempted to experiment.   However, I once had two batteries which connected to the alternator through their contactors.  I could switch the batteries on and off the alternator line without any ill effects - not quite the same as dumping a large load - but, after starting on just one battery, the load was fairly high when put back on line.  However, one battery was always on-line.
 
So not certain what effect breaking the "B" lead would be (since it would depend on conditions)  but since many designs have a "fuse" in the "B" lead for that purpose, I am going to hazard my opinion that the effects of breaking the "B" lead may be less serious than what-ever bad situation is causing you to want to do that in the first place.  Ideally, of course, is to have an externally regulator alternator (or a modified auto alternator with the internal regulator disabled so unable to provide the field coil internally) and a low current circuit breaker tripping mechanism for the field coil.
 
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Overvoltage control (help Ed A)

  If you don't have a low current way to break the field current, and need to break the high current line, then you have to used this OV module to trip a breaker that's holding in a main contactor for your high current "B" lead.  If any of that was confusing, Ed can explain it :-)

 

Cheers,

Rusty

 

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Help Ed. I almost understand Rusty's comments, but Mark S left me in the dust. Us old dogs are sometimes hard to train!

I think that with an internal regulator; just because you break the field current supply , a failed regulator may keep powering the field with the internal alternator voltage. The continous breaker in the big alternator line can protect the battery and airplane except what happens to the alternator in the meantime if the interal regulator is applying a large field current to the field will the alternator burn up quiet rapidly and possible start a fire?

 

Bernie, soggy Treasure Coast although we had a bonanza just taxi in so must be drying out a little

 
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