X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.7] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c2) with ESMTP id 713767 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 00:50:15 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.7; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id q.55.7af6256c (4362) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 00:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: WRJJRS@aol.com Message-ID: <55.7af6256c.304fcb56@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 00:49:26 EDT Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternative fuel To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1126068566" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1126068566 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK guys, So you will understand I have built alcohol engines for 1/4 migets, Turbo drag bilkes, and cars. Typically you will up the compression to around 14:1 as just a start. For a piston engine that means a different piston and usually rod to handle it. Cams need to be optimised for alcohol, and often you will do a different valve seat. (thinner dur to cooling effect of alcohol) Then comes the induction system, even with injection systems I changed every o-ring to one KNOWN compatible with alcohol. If you ar running a carburator you need brass (not plastic) floats and need to be sure every seal starting with the float needle is compatible. If you are not running a stainless steel exhaust system and muffler you better get one. One of the combustion byproducts of alcohol is formaldhyde, I'm not sure if this is what attacks the exhaust system or just the water generated does it but the oxidation is aggressive. Usually we would remove the plugs after the race and squirt top cylinder lube like Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinder and turn the engine a few times to prevent rust prior to the next time we started the engine. Other than that I hardly ever touched anything except the jetting. :-) By the way Ed I can guess how the specs on the Saab happen. If setup for alcohol it runs fine, (on alcohol), when running gas it tries to detonate but the knock sensors kick back the timing and run the system open loop rich to keep the temp down. There would be the reason for poorer power and mileage. Bill Jepson -------------------------------1126068566 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK guys,
 So you will understand I have built alcohol engines for 1/4 miget= s,=20 Turbo drag bilkes, and cars. Typically you will up the compression to around= =20 14:1 as just a start. For a piston engine that means a different piston and=20 usually rod to handle it. Cams need to be optimised for alcohol, and often y= ou=20 will do a different valve seat. (thinner dur to cooling effect of alcohol) T= hen=20 comes the induction system, even with injection systems I changed every o-ri= ng=20 to one KNOWN compatible with alcohol. If you ar running a carburator you nee= d=20 brass (not plastic) floats and need to be sure every seal starting with the=20 float needle is compatible. If you are not running a stainless steel exhaust= =20 system and muffler you better get one. One of the combustion byproducts of=20 alcohol is formaldhyde, I'm not sure if this is what attacks the exhaust sys= tem=20 or just the water generated does it but the oxidation is aggressive. Usually= we=20 would remove the plugs after the race and squirt top cylinder lube like Marv= el=20 Mystery Oil in the cylinder and turn the engine a few times to prevent rust=20 prior to the next time we started the engine. Other than that I hardly ever=20 touched anything except the jetting. :-)
By the way Ed I can guess how the specs on the Saab happen. If setup fo= r=20 alcohol it runs fine, (on alcohol), when running gas it tries to detonate bu= t=20 the knock sensors kick back the timing and run the system open loop rich to=20= keep=20 the temp down. There would be the reason for poorer power and mileage.
Bill Jepson
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