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Thanks so much for sharing your experience. You've described the conditions
well.
Couple comments if I may.
Head on down to local hobby shop. Purchase one of those little $25 infra
red temperature sensors. You just point it at object and it tells you how hot it
is. They are pretty accurate, great way to gather facts. We know that fuel pump
temp is highly significant cause for vapor lock, so great value in finding it's
temp. Use hair dryer on it to measure your safety margin.
Assume you crashed, assume you have misidentified the cause(s). Seek ways
to prove your causes. A fundamental problem with vapor lock risk is we never
know how close we are to that condition, so we tend to make assumptions. By
gathering the facts we can get closer to measuring our vapor lock safety margin.
It is measurable.
I strongly suspect the fuel pressure bypass idea would have no positive
effect on your vapor lock risk.
-al wick Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock
Subaru 2.5 N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon Prop
construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design
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Thought I would share this with everyone since just about everyone is
getting some of this heat wave and most of us aren't used to it. Also,
it sounds very similar to what Kevin is putting up with in his
RV-6A.
Interesting experience this last Saturday in my RV-4.
Interesting because it didn't happen at 800 feet where it would have probably
made the news but while I was just starting my takeoff
roll.
Conditions: 90 deg F, about noon on Saturday 150 HP Lyc
O-320 with carb, gascolator, mechanical and Facet electric pumps. Running
last winter's last few gallons of auto-gas from my storage
tanks.
Engine was all warmed up from three laps around the pattern
shooting landings at Hillsboro. I had taxied back to the hanger to check
for anything out of the ordinary since I had recently been working on my
carb. Everything was okay so I headed back out.
While setting at
an intersection for about 5 minutes waiting to be cleared for takeoff my CHTs
were heading for hotter than I like. The wind was at my tail so the
engine was not getting any cooling. CHT was passing 335 on the
Electronics International UBG-16 engine monitor and I was about to call the
tower and tell them I was heading back. The controller beat me to it and
cleared me for takeoff. This airplane normally runs about 325 at power
and I have to have a hot day to get it to 350 but I never see it that hot
prior to takeoff.
Okay, I thought, a little air through the cowl and
we'll be back to normal. So I answered the controller "6RV cleared for
TO", lined up and pushed in the throttle. I got almost 2000 rpm and just
enough of a push to make it to the next intersection and coast off the
runway. It was as if I had pulled the mixture. The prop had
stopped before I stopped rolling, I was looking at everything thinking I had
missed something like the fuel valve half cocked or left the mixture mostly
out (I taxi that way). Feeling stupid I called the tower and said 6RV
was NOT taking off.
After pushing it across the runway threshold
I turned the electric pump on and it was obviously empty from the noise it was
making. I was on the tank that was 95% full so I switched to the other
tank and viola. I recognized the sounds of the pump filling the
apparently empty fuel system and carb. Hopped in and after about 6
blades it lit and ran fine. I called the tower and taxied back to the
hanger. Thankful this had not happened at about 800 feet leaving the 5
o'clock news empty handed.
Pulling the cowling, the carb and fuel pump
were so hot you couldn't hold your hand on them. The gas had boiled
enough that it pushed it back through the mechanical pump, gascolator, Facet
pump, and tank selector valve. When I switched to the "cold" tank out on
the intersection the Facet could get hold of enough at that point to push fuel
back to the engine. From this tank the fuel was cold enough I could get
it started and taxi back to the hanger.
-->KEVIN: I know you run
100LL but at the temps you are describing, upwards of 400 degrees, you can
vapor lock 100LL, too. I think Dave's right, it could be that you are
getting some vapor generation on the ground when you're trying to run at full
power. You mentioned the problem only happens when the engine is warmed
up.
I'm going to try and duplicate last Saturday's scenario this
weekend (except the takeoff attempt) if the OAT is up enough.
Bear in
mind that since I have never had any problems like this I never saw any need
for blast tubes on the fuel pump and carb like some people have done.
The cowling on the RV is pretty tight and I have four exhaust pipes down there
next to the carb, pump, and gascolator. And since I have thousands of
hours running auto gas in various planes, while the extra volatility certainly
contributed I don't believe it's bad stuff and will continue to use it.
I may keep one tank with mostly 100LL in it for ground ops on the very hot
days for extra margin but there were more things than fuel type that
contributed to what happened.
Obviously a fuel return line that
would allow purging the hot fuel would be another fix. We have another
RV-4 on the field that has a vapor bleed return line for just this
reason.
Well, sorry for the epistle but I thought it was something for
people to keep in mind while your waiting in a long taxi line at a busy
airport. Especially those of us who rarely see 90 degree ramp
temps. It was a real eye opener (and I've only got one
eye..) P-)
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G,
Hillsboro, OR 13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2
At 20:50
2005-08-03, you wrote:
Kevin, I agree with Ken Powell
that it still sounds mostly like fuel starvation, probably in the
carb. So I won't beat that horse... However, if following those
suggestions doesn't fix it, then consider: Since you have
definitely identified temperature as a culprit, that points at 2 possible
causes: fuel vaporization and detonation. Vaporized fuel going to the
carb could cause a scenario where the bowl cant fill. Also, detonation
could behave like what you describe. Maybe you cooling flow is no
sufficient. Doubtful, but a bad could maybe act that
way. It's easy enough to test that as a possibility.
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Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/vp4skydoc/index.html
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