X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.207] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 627149 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 22:29:04 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.198.207; envelope-from=tim2542@sbcglobal.net Received: (qmail 14850 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 02:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO andresxp) (tim2542@sbcglobal.net@67.117.29.108 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 02:28:20 -0000 From: "Tim Andres" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] NOMEX- Wear it!!! Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:28:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C59ABC.FE0A8A80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcWa8f10AOOxbsVgSL2ExF6AE1IjygABKWUg Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C59ABC.FE0A8A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just need to throw my 2 cents in here and tell you that NOMEX would not help in this case, it simply will not sustain combustion by itself. It was the fuel that burned your friend, not likely the clothing. NOMEX would have done nothing in this case except possibly provide a second or third layer of clothing which is very beneficial. I'm not saying it's not a good idea to wear it, just that it's not going to put out a gasoline soaked pilot. My sincere sympathy for your friend, Tim Andres _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Russell Duffy Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:47 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] NOMEX- Wear it!!! Greetings, An airport friend of mine crashing his new biplane (Easy Eagle, VW powered) on it's maiden flight at my airport this afternoon. He just got he airworthiness certificate today, and when the weather cleared, he made the first (and last) flight. Thankfully, I was too busy getting pages from work to go out to watch. He managed to take off in about the first third of the runway, but then was barely climbing. Rather than set the plane back down, he tried to go around the pattern, but barely made 200 feet of altitude. He made two turns, and was heading downwind, but when he tried to turn toward the airport, he lost enough lift that he sank into the trees between a couple houses. The fuel tank split open on impact, and covered him, and the plane with fuel, which then ignited. Amazingly, he got himself out, and walked away from the plane, though still on fire, and somewhat in shock. The first people on the scene ushered him into a large mud puddle that he was standing right next to, and got the fire out. He was taken to the USA burn center in Mobile by Life Flight, and the news reported severe burns to more than 50% of his body. Suddenly, I don't feel so foolish for wearing a Nomex suit for my real test flights (first flights, and anytime I change anything significant). I'm getting tired of hearing about friends crashing, and so is my wife... The lesson here is two fold- if it ain't right, put it back down when you still have 2/3 of the runway remaining. Part two is wear protective clothing. This guy walked away from the crash itself, but the burns will ruin his life, if he lives at all. If we're going to be test pilots, we need to take every precaution that test pilots take, and plan for the unexpected. This guy was a good pilot, and flight instructor, but didn't take enough precautions. Sorry to rant, or preach, but I've watched him scratch build this plane over the past couple years. He was always there, and always working on it. I'm just sick about the whole thing... Rusty (not a good day) ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C59ABC.FE0A8A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Just need to throw my 2 cents in = here and tell you that NOMEX would not help in this case, it simply will not = sustain combustion by itself. It was the fuel that burned your friend, not = likely the clothing. NOMEX would have done nothing in this case except possibly = provide a second or third layer of clothing which is very beneficial. I’m = not saying it’s not a good idea to wear it, just that it’s not = going to put out a gasoline soaked pilot.

My sincere sympathy for your = friend,

Tim = Andres

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Russell Duffy
Sent: Saturday, August = 06, 2005 6:47 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = NOMEX- Wear it!!!

 

Greetings,

 

An airport friend of mine crashing his new = biplane (Easy Eagle, VW powered) on it's maiden flight at my airport = this afternoon.  He just got he airworthiness certificate today, = and when the weather cleared, he made the first (and = last) flight.  Thankfully, I was too busy getting pages from work to go out to watch.  

 

He managed to take off in about the first third of = the runway, but then was barely climbing.  Rather than set the plane = back down, he tried to go around the pattern, but barely made 200 feet of altitude.  He made two turns, and was heading downwind, but when he = tried to turn toward the airport, he lost enough lift that he sank into the = trees between a couple houses.  The fuel tank split open on impact, and = covered him, and the plane with fuel, which then ignited.  Amazingly, he = got himself out, and walked away from the plane, though still on fire, and = somewhat in shock.  The first people on the scene ushered him into a large = mud puddle that he was standing right next to, and got the fire = out.   He was taken to the USA burn center in Mobile by Life Flight, and the news reported severe burns to more than 50% of = his body.    

 

Suddenly, I don't feel so foolish for wearing a Nomex = suit for my real test flights (first flights, and anytime I change anything significant).   I'm getting tired of hearing about friends = crashing, and so is my wife...    =

 

The lesson here is two fold- if it ain't right, put = it back down when you still have 2/3 of the runway remaining.  Part two is = wear protective clothing.  This guy walked away from the crash itself, = but the burns will ruin his life, if he lives at all.   If we're going = to be test pilots, we need to take every precaution that test pilots take, and = plan for the unexpected.  This guy was a good pilot, and flight instructor, but didn't take enough precautions.  =

 

Sorry to rant, or preach, but I've watched him = scratch build this plane over the past couple years.  He was always there, = and always working on it.  I'm just sick about the whole = thing... 

 

Rusty (not a good day)

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