X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.4.51.91] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with ESMTP id 625895 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:49:48 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.4.51.91; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:49:02 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by BAY107-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:49:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.220] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: NASA ASRS info Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:48:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C599BC.0ADA7EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:48:56 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2005 16:49:02.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[958E24B0:01C599DD] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C599BC.0ADA7EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Learned long ago to regard bureaucrats of every stripe as rabid dogs and = let them sleep whenever possible. I did however, use the ASRS system on = one previous occasion and it worked fine. Won't elaborate on that. =20 And since this thread is the sole record of what happened, I should add = that of course I made the whole thing up. =20 There. Tracy =20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: NASA ASRS info You weren't on flight following so they've no clue who you are or = where=20 to find you. I'd stick with "let a sleeping dog lie" and "don't ask = ..=20 don't tell" and hope for the best. I seriously doubt they're aware = that=20 there was an incursion into Class-A and absent fast movers in the=20 vicinity they've very little incentive to go to all the trouble to = track=20 you down if by chance they did notice the incursion. If you present=20 yourself to them OTOH, there'll be someone in the system that can't=20 resist the temptation to nail you - if only to prove he can. Learn your lesson and move on. Turn off xpdr next time you do that = ..=20 Jim S. Al Gietzen wrote: > For those wondering; full info on the ASRS is available at: > > = http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=3Dnasa+asrs&page=3D1&of= fset=3D1&result_url=3Dredir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D8a6d0ad2a0b1e= 57b%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dnasa%2Basrs%26clickedItemURN%3Dht= tp%253A%252F%252Fasrs.arc.nasa.gov%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3= DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fasrs.arc.nasa.g= ov%2F=20 > = > > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 > *On Behalf Of *David Staten > *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2005 3:55 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: / Back from Osh > > =20 > > The ASRS form wont do a thing in this case to protect against=20 > enforcement. The enforcement amnesty does not apply to intentional=20 > deviations from the rule > =20 > Two issues are concrete by admission: Operating above specified=20 > altitudes without oxygen and operating in Class A airspace without = an=20 > IFR clearance. Neither were inadverdent. To add teeth to any=20 > proceding, the FAA could invoke reckless and careless. If Tracy = wanted=20 > protection he would have needed to declared an emergency (and=20 > preferably communicated that. > =20 > Dave Staten > > William wrote: > > Wouldn't hurt to file a NASA ASRS form as insurance. > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser # 4045 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Tracy Crook = > > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft = > > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:51 PM > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: / Back from Osh > > =20 > > Dave S., Bernie, et al, Point well taken.=20 > > Yes, I was very lucky and will never do that again. I thought > about the x-p squawking to the world how dumb this pilot over Ga > was but didn't dare turn it off. I was on top of Atlanta > Hartsfield class B much of the time and decided they would be = less > concerned about somebody straying above 18,000 than they would > about a plane at unknown altitude inside their class B. > > =20 > > Tracy (hoping the FAA does not monitor this list : )=20 > > =20 > > =20 > > On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:31:15 -0400 "Tracy Crook" > = >> writes: > > Class A here I come, I'll deal with FAA if I have > to. By the time I spiraled down through closely spaced > thunderstorms in Florida I had spent about 2 hours = between > 16 and 18 thousand feet. It was a fairly high stress = period. > > =20 > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > =20 > > Wow! You're too much Tracy. You are cottonpicking lucky > you did not hypoxia and pull the Otter apart. Did you = turn > off the alt x-p during the period over 18K? I know you > did not talk to anyone so doubt they can trace you = anyway. > > =20 > > Putting a larger cowl flap door, now have reasonable > feeling cranking compression. > > =20 > > Bernie > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>> Archive: = http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > =20 > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: = http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C599BC.0ADA7EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Learned long ago to regard bureaucrats of every stripe as = rabid=20 dogs and let them sleep whenever possible.  I did however, use the = ASRS=20 system on one previous occasion and it worked fine.  Won't = elaborate on=20 that. 
 
And since this thread is the sole record of what happened,  I = should=20 add that of course I made the whole thing up. 
 
There.
 
Tracy 
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: NASA = ASRS=20 info

You weren't on flight following so they've no clue who = you are=20 or where
to find you.  I'd stick with "let a sleeping dog = lie" and=20 "don't ask ...
don't tell" and hope for the best.  I = seriously doubt=20 they're aware that
there was an incursion into Class-A and absent = fast=20 movers in the
vicinity they've very little incentive to go to all = the=20 trouble to track
you down if by chance they did notice the=20 incursion.  If you present
yourself to them OTOH, there'll be = someone=20 in the system that can't
resist the temptation to nail you - if = only to=20 prove he can.
Learn your lesson and move on.  Turn off xpdr = next time=20 you do that ...
Jim S.

Al Gietzen wrote:

> For = those=20 wondering; full info on the ASRS is available = at:
>
>  http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.js= p?query=3Dnasa+asrs&page=3D1&offset=3D1&result_url=3Dredir%3F= src%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D8a6d0ad2a0b1e57b%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26us= erQuery%3Dnasa%2Basrs%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fasrs.arc.nasa= gov%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D= 1&remove_url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fasrs.arc.nasa.gov%2F=20
> <http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.js= p?query=3Dnasa+asrs&page=3D1&offset=3D1&result_url=3Dredir%3F= src%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D8a6d0ad2a0b1e57b%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26us= erQuery%3Dnasa%2Basrs%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fasrs.arc.nasa= gov%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D= 1&remove_url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fasrs.arc.nasa.gov%2F>
>
&= gt; =20
>
> 
>
> 
>
> = -----Original=20 Message-----
> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> *On Behalf Of *David=20 Staten
> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2005 3:55 AM
> *To:* = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: / Back from=20 Osh
>
> 
>
> The ASRS form wont do a = thing in=20 this case to protect against
> enforcement. The enforcement = amnesty=20 does not apply to intentional
> deviations from the = rule
> =20
> Two issues are concrete by admission: Operating above = specified=20
> altitudes without oxygen and operating in Class A airspace = without an=20
> IFR clearance. Neither were inadverdent. To add teeth to any =
>=20 proceding, the FAA could invoke reckless and careless. If Tracy wanted =
> protection he would have needed to declared an emergency (and =
> preferably communicated that.
> 
> Dave=20 Staten
>
> William wrote:
>
> Wouldn't hurt to = file a=20 NASA ASRS form as insurance.
>
> Bill Schertz
> KIS = Cruiser=20 # 4045
>
>     ----- Original Message=20 -----
>
>     *From:* Tracy Crook = <mailto:lors01@msn.com>
>
&= gt;    =20 *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net>
>
>    =20 *Sent:* Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:51=20 PM
>
>     *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: = / Back=20 from Osh
>
>     =20
>
>     Dave S., Bernie, et al,  = Point=20 well taken.
>
>     Yes, I was very = lucky and=20 will never do that again.  I = thought
>    =20 about the x-p squawking to the world how dumb this pilot over=20 Ga
>     was but didn't dare turn it = off.  I=20 was on top of Atlanta
>     Hartsfield class = B much=20 of the time and decided they would be = less
>    =20 concerned about somebody straying above 18,000 than they=20 would
>     about a plane at unknown = altitude inside=20 their class B.
>
>     =20
>
>     Tracy  (hoping the FAA = does not=20 monitor this list : )=20
>
>          =
>
>          =
>
>         On = Thu, 4 Aug=20 2005 12:31:15 -0400 "Tracy=20 Crook"
>         <lors01@msn.com=20 <mailto:lors01@msn.com>>=20 = writes:
>
>        &n= bsp;     =20 Class A here I come, I'll deal with FAA if I=20 = have
>          &= nbsp; =20 to.   By the time I spiraled down through closely=20 = spaced
>          = ;  =20 thunderstorms in Florida I had spent about 2 hours=20 = between
>         &nbs= p;  =20 16 and 18 thousand feet.  It was a fairly high stress=20 = period.
>
>        &n= bsp;    =20 =
>
>         &nb= sp;  =20 = ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>  = ;           =20 =
>
>         &nb= sp;  =20 Wow! You're too much Tracy. You are cottonpicking=20 = lucky
>          =   =20 you did not hypoxia and pull the Otter apart. Did you=20 = turn
>          &= nbsp; =20 off the alt x-p during the period over 18K?  I know=20 = you
>          &n= bsp; =20 did not talk to anyone so doubt they can trace you=20 = anyway.
>
>        &n= bsp;    =20 =
>
>         &nb= sp;  =20 Putting a larger cowl flap door, now have=20 = reasonable
>         &= nbsp;  =20 feeling cranking=20 = compression.
>
>       &nb= sp;     =20 =
>
>         &nb= sp;  =20 Bernie
>
>>>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
><= BR>>>> =20 Archive:   http://lancai= ronline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>
> =20
>

>>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
>&= gt; =20 Archive:   http://lancai= ronline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html
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